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pjw said:but it would be valid if it went like this...
1.Everything Willtor believes is true.
2. Willtor believes that God exists
3. Therefore, God exists
Willtor said:I'm busting your chops. Valid, if you take a course on logic, is used to distinguish a well-formed argument from a poorly-formed one. That is, an argument may have true premises and a true conclusion, but be totally bogus in form. Take the following, for example:
1 - Willtor could really use a snack.
2 - Willtor thinks wasabi peas are delicious.
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3 - God exists.
I think we'd both agree that all 3 points are true, but the first two don't yield the third. The argument is invalid because its form is flawed.
Soundness measures a statement's validity, and says that the premises are true (as well as the conclusion, obviously).
woobadooba said:Moreover, even if I were to espouse your usage of the term 'valid' within the context of logic, it still wouldn't work here because the theory of evolution, in my opinion, is not logical, but nonsensical. But then we probably have a different way of defining the term 'logical' too.
ChristianWildlife said:What type of evolution are people talking about? Trans-species?
CaliforniaJosiah said:Um.....
I'm a Christian and a Junior in college, majoring in Physics. T\
- Josiah
Ragnaros said:Also, ignoring science is utter folly. Science is simply the study of God's creation. There's nothing "false" about God's creation, and the study of the natural world is just as much truth as the scriptures are. Science and the scripture have to meet somewhere, and where they meet is where the true answers lay.
christianmarine said:I agree that science is just man's way of learning about the awesome imagination of the Lord and how he created such beauty. Unfortunately, science and religion can never meet in the middle. Most evolutionists are atheists for a reason. God is not part of the evolutionary puzzle.
Ragnaros said:I'm confused as to why you say science and religion can never meet in the middle. Why not? Evolution isn't necessarily "science", and just because the theory of evolution may not exactly fit in with the bible doesn't mean science and religion can't meet. Plus, there are lots of other theories in the scientific community besides the strict orthodox definition of evolution, such as extraterrestrials planting the human race on Earth. There are many theories in the scientific community, and until we get cold hard empirical evidence for every facet of evolution, it's still just one of those theories a lot of scientists subscribe to as what they think is the most likely way life on Earth came to be as it is today.
christianmarine said:I apologize. I should have rephrased that. Most scientists are atheistic evolutionists. Why do you think they are so adamantly opposed to teaching Intelligent Design in public schools, alongside evolution? They feel that science is the study of the universe, and they can't accept the fact that there is an entity greater than they, and that he designed it all. They would rather be the one's to make new discoveries and take credit for it, instead of the Lord.
Ragnaros said:Oh, alright. I see where you are coming from. I'm guessing that most scientists don't like Intelligent Design at all, because they consider it a highly flawed theory. A lot of people also don't like it being taught in schools, because it's religious in nature, and there's the whole separation of church and state (I guess they have a point there). Then again, I'm not really very informed on this issue, so I think I'll just keep my mouth shut.
Did your post make any sense??????????laterunner said:Does the religion of science have any truth????????
Because God is not a contingent thing that can be examined using scientific method. If God exists, then it's a very different kind of existence from the evidence of things existing.DaveS said:Why?
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