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bullietdodger said:Thank you. It's fine that you want to discuss the science of the matter, but since this is a theology board Scripture should be used as Scripture is the bases for Theology.
I have not concluded that this is the only thread that actually talks theology. All I'm getting at is that you would have to expect that theology will eventually come on this thread since it under the theology board.
notto said:In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
notto said:The theory of gravity has not been proven without any doubts. Is it junk science?
The theory of gravity has not been proven without any doubts. Is it junk science?
Strictly speaking, a theory is never a fact, but an explanation of why the facts are what they are. But when a theory is very well-established, such that the level of confidence scientists have in the theory approaches certainty, it is often treated as fact.
There is an extremely remote possibility that apples will start falling up rather than down, but it is so remote that for all practical purposes it is not worth taking into consideration.
The mechanisms of evolution and the standard phylogenic tree also approach that level of certainty.
david_x said:Ah ha! Very Good. Science is Fact, the overwelming possibility, and God's word is TRUTH, somthing that is never wrong!
david_x said:wrong, you even just said it wasn't. Fact is not true, it simply has an overwelming possibility of being true.
serephiale said:I accept evolution as a valid scientific theory and as fact. The irony is that my own acceptance in evolution basically evolved. I believed that evolution was junk most of my childhood, but I've always gone in earnest of genetics...my eventual downfall. When I heard on a science video that humans are 45% genetically identical to a worm, I was sandbagged to say the very least. I thought "Well, what was to keep God from reusing building blocks?" And then I realized that such a thing was ludicrously close to Theistic Evolution and that I needed to just drop my pride and stop being stubborn.
If it is an overwhelming possibility that something is true, how does that make it not true?
It is an overwhelming possibility that carrot seed will produce carrots and not peas. Does that mean it is not true that carrot seed will produce carrots? Should we start looking for peas where we have planted carrots?
David, give me a fact which isn't true. (See the contradiction?)
david_x said:These fact's are only true as far as we know. (God could change wine to water, why not carrots to peas?)
Do you think it more likely the carrot seed you buy this spring will produce carrots or that God will make it produce peas? Which probability will you use to select your seed?
david_x said:WHAT???? I never said i expected somthing like that to happen! I was pointing out that a fact is not necessarily true. You imply too much.
Happy birthday!!
A fact is necessarily true. That is what makes it a fact.
david_x said:Thanks!
Okay, here is what i mean:
1. "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
2. We are making the same point, Facts are true. Theonly thing I'm adding is that history has told us that they never seem to stay that way.
gluadys said:That speciation (aka macro-evolution) happens is another fact.
The above facts imply common descent as a logical conclusion. That this conclusion is well-supported by further evidence is, again, a fact. Nothing other than common descent makes sense of many biological observations.
It may be going a step too far to say that common descent is a fact, but without evidence to call it into question, it is by far the best basis for continuing work in biological research.
Lion of God said:If it can't be reliably proven that it occurs, how much more so when we start looking at the variations between Genus's, Family's, Order's, Classes, Phylum's and Kingdom.
Lion of God said:That speciation happens is dependent on how it is defined. Evolutionists tend to use a very broad definition of the term to validate that it happens, however the truth is that the type of speciation they require has never been proven or observed. See this page
What makes it even more questionable is that there are a number of different definitions of what constitutes a different species and varies on which taxonomist is doing the classifying.
Speciation is only the variation in the bottom of the ladder.
If it can't be reliably proven that it occurs, how much more so when we start looking at the variations between Genus's, Family's, Order's, Classes, Phylum's and Kingdom.
I commend you on your Faith. You must have an awful lot of it to believe in Evolution.
I don't need faith to accept evolution: only sense and reason.
Can you give some examples?
More pertinent to this thread, can you give examples that pertain to biology and evolution?
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