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Seeing as you brought it up... why don't you give an example of both and use those examples to answer his question.......
Jesus never said He was God.
He said...make your own observations.
dms1972 said: ↑
Would you care to give an example of each sort of question?
Well there are reasons for asking questions other than winning an argument.
The discussion is only for clarity.
We know the Earth exists, we know it wasn't as Genesis describes it.
I am confused. You are the one that brought the issue up, so is there a reason you can not provide examples?
I want to see what your thinking is.
As regard the big questions like evolution versus intelligent design - all I can say is I don't know the answers. Both have some explanatory power.
Whats the question we are talking about most on these forums "is God, the christian God?"
I came across this insight the other day - people will pray whether they know for sure there is a God or not, just as a man stranded with a broken leg in the Alps will cry out "Help" whether or not he knows there is someone who will come to rescue him. Even if he thinks its likely there is not anyon, will he not still shout?
You brought up; why and how questions.
I asked you to give examples of each and what your method was to determine accurate answers.
Is this something you can do, or not?
You don't know that there is not a God
No I know. And i don't think calling for "help" need be "grasping at straws". For there are many instances of people being heard, helped, rescued in response to sending out distress calls. Your comment is prejudicial of the outcome.
You're the one who said it was 'unlikely' that there was any help out there.
Large scientific studies have been carried out, and "the most methodologically rigorous studies failed to produce significant findings".
I'll look at the article in more detail later, but at a glance three of the four studies mentioned found beneficial findings.
Its a matter of faith or doubt. Science is based on doubt (not necessarily doubt that there is a God - for many early scientist firmly believed their is), religion on faith. You can't use science to answer a religious question. (Disagree with me here if you want, I certainly don't want people taking anything I say as infallible or unquestionable and following it.)
There are two sorts of questions (actually there are more than two), both equally valid, and important.
"Why?" questions
and
"How?" questions
A "why" question, cannot be answered with a "how" answer!
I think people sometimes confuse the words "how" and "why".
I came across this insight the other day - people will pray whether they know for sure there is a God or not, just as a man stranded with a broken leg in the Alps will cry out "Help" whether or not he knows there is someone who will come to rescue him. Even if he thinks its likely there is not anyon, will he not still shout?
What matters? That he is shouting when there is no one there?, or that he continues to cry out. Will he say to himself "I'll stay silent cause there might not be anyone near, and I'd be stupid to be shouting out" How will he increase his chances of knowing he is right, or wrong? By philosophical speculation, or shouting "Help"
Would staying silent increase or decrease his chances of finding out? If he stay silent and no one came would it prove there had been no one there?
You're the one who said it was 'unlikely' that there was any help out there. Anyway, it is not 'grasping at straws' to eschew a probably futile effort. The probably futile effort is the 'grasping at straws'. Not doing it is the opposite of grasping at straws.
Anyway, trying to pull this back on topic, if "there are many instances of people being heard, helped, rescued in response to sending out distress calls," then one might expect that intercessory prayer would have empirical effects on, say, medical outcomes. Large scientific studies have been carried out, and "the most methodologically rigorous studies failed to produce significant findings". Praying and medical outcomes are observable. There doesn't seem to be any link between them. These studies do not comment on any things that may or may not be observable.
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