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Cheers brother, I agree with you tremendously!

I can't stand the fact that we, as believers, have "denominations"... You can't even be "non-denominational" because that's even considered it's own denomination! Irks me bad....

The worst part about things being so messed up now though is the fact that it's such a touchy operation trying to show others the folly of their thinking, that, it's almost impossible to do so without insulting them... Christ wants us to be humble and loving, yet, it's so hard to not be a jerk when confronting them...

We have to be Humble/loving yet, bold in showing them Scripture, which is entirely possible... I just wished people now days realized, we are not trying to insult them, or embarrass them, or belittle them... we love them, and we're trying to show them the truth. That is, if we are saved believers ourselves teaching the true Gospel.

God Bless Brother!

-The Current Lowest Servant
 
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Totally agree.
 
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God bless
 
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So now I have to agree to be of one mind with you that a movie or ballgame is a idol people sacrifice to? You now claim Sports an Movie are idols……now who is being ignorant…..?

Not with me but with the word of God. Stop dumping everything on me.
Yes holly wood is an Idol. It is a part of the harlot of babylon.
 
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That is why you uise God word as your authority. Use this and you will always be right because God is always right.

Get it?
 
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Reading this is like a breath of fresh air, I honestly thought I was alone in this. Thank you...

God bless you and may you always remain on high ground, GOds ground
 
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That is why you uise God word as your authority. Use this and you will always be right because God is always right.

Get it?

Oh, I get it, but I'm not so sure that your belief is correct none-the-less.

What you're not getting is that saying that I agree to disagree means that I am not willing to argue over an issue as it truly does no good. I will still have a different belief than you, but it's okay to disagree. It is not sin to disagree.

I believe that my beliefs are correct and true to God, just as you do. However, you believe that I am wrong, where as I believe that you are wrong. So in this instance it's best to agree to disagree. There is no wrong in doing so as you seem to be implying.

So once I again, I agree to disagree.
 
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Not with me but with the word of God. Stop dumping everything on me.
Yes holly wood is an Idol. It is a part of the harlot of babylon.

I didn't see in the bible where God said thou shalt not play sports or watch a movie, no where in the bible says hollywood is part of the harlot of babylon. Please show those scriptures otherwise your still just making stuff up and anyone not agreeing with you is wrong. Its you that keep saying these things, not God. What if I just make stuff up and say the internet is evil and not of God, its part of the harlot of babylon….why is internet ok but not playing ball or watching something? You just come off as very high minded and opinionated and use that as for what you agree is right or wrong….thats getting into the legalism concept is it not?
 
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Forget the whole argument thing, it is not an argument it is a discussion. This is talking about theology this is not a childs play.

I understand you do not wanna get into a chat with someone who believes contrary to you, yes it can turn into a bloody mess.

What are you gogin to do? Stay silent? Or speak aloud your conviction.
It is horrible to tell someone there going to burn in Hell but this is what the bible says.

How do you tell someone such a thing?

You tell them it because you love them!
Not becauseyou wanna rub them the wrong way.

I have a wonderful friend, Non Christian.
I always say to her, wana read the bible? as a joke cause I know she says no and one day It old her about Hell.

I told her we are all going to goto Hell to burn.
I expected he to stop talking to me.
I told her we all deserve death and she said, how does one get out of Hell?

I said to her, it is simple, believe on Jesus, thats it.

She said oh.

So she knows. She knows what the bible says.
She does not hate me she is mature enough to accept that I believe the bible and is she is willing to hear out what God said about Hell and us.

You can actually say very hurtful things and not actually create enemies...

I have also expressed my view on certain topics to my Dad. Oner tyopic was the Angls mating with man doctrine, I disaggree on that and I told my Dad I pointed out poenty of verses that deny it.

It isok to speak up but will I do it again with him?
Probably not, he would not listent he first time, so why shoudl I try try try again again..????

Like you said no point...

You are allowed to go against mainstream beliefs and speak up against it.
No doubt you and I are of one mind as long as we both stick close tot he word of God.

If you are convicted by God, then speak up!
Moses thought he was not worth it to do what GOd assked him to do but he did it anyway!.


So we all must, as long as we have God we win!
 
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God word does not say homosexuality is wrong. Gods word does not Say do not practise Christmas,

Gods word does not use the terms our cultures uses. GOds word does not say Valentines day is idolatry.

If you do some research you can find links.

Holly wood is divination, black magick.
Illuminati.
The music industry is Satanic and people like Chris Angel are communicating with spirits. The bible is against all of that.

If you research the origins of a thing, Halloween for example it dates back to Heathens and their false idols. Olympics for example is riddles with ancient Greek Illuminati devil worship.

You know nothing aout this because you have not looked.
Did you know that Mollech is the Logo for Mazda?
The car?

You see devil worship bings fame, have you ever heard of selling your soul to the devil?

The Devil offers much and delivers nothign but death.

THe bible does not state what the harlot of babylon is.
It is our job to work it out.

The harlot of babylon is Sin.

So the harlot is this....

The worlds play ground. Things like Hollywood/ MOVIES, Music, SPorts, Christmas, Easter and the worlds entertainment system.

Thats the harlot.

The internet can become the harlot if you let it.
The things that make it are the things we shoudl not be doing.

Cultures change and times change, the harlot presents itself in many ways.
Iff God wrote up for you all the examples of Idolatry then you would be reading till you are dead.

I do not care how you see me.

The harlot is always here in all kinds of mannerisms.
If you can not worjk out what it is then I will tell you.
You can not just read revelation adn walk away with no idea what was just said. All scripture is profitable for correction, conviction and teaching.

We use Gods word and apply it to our life so we can the junk out of our lives.

That junk at this point of time comes in the form of Holidays like Christmas.
If you think I am wrong then before you can say it, research it.
 
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We need to strive and search. Be vigilant and gut out the word of GOd. WE need to apply it to our life and be of one mind, not two milion minds....One mind in Christ, NO COMPRIMISE.
There is no question that Satan is behind strife and division in Christendom (Jas 3:14-16):
But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.

1. The first church (the church at Jerusalem) is the ideal church to show us what the true unity of the Spirit means (Acts 2:42-47; 4:24-34):
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.
44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved...
24 And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said,...
31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
2. Notice that "the continued stedfastly in the apostles doctrine", and were therefore united in fellowship, prayer and witness.

3. Doctrinal divisions entered the churches at a very early period -- even while the apostles were on earth (1 Cor 1:11-13).

4. The root cause of divisions is carnality -- walking in the flesh instead of the Spirit (1 Cor 3:1-8).

5. At this point in history we are already in the great apostasy (2 Thess 2:3) -- falling away -- therefore we will not see unity of the Spirit (generally).

6. This thread proves point #5 already. Billy Graham, who was once a fundamentalist, did fall away and compromised the truth. There is ample evidence for those who will open their eyes. Yet we could not get agreement. Below we see Graham contradicting Scripture.

The Infamous May 31, 1997 Interview: Graham and Schuller

Robert Schuller: "Tell me, what do you think of the future of Christianity?"

Billy Graham: "I think everybody who knows Christ, whether they're conscious of it or not, they're members of the Body of Christ...God's purpose is to call out a people for His name, whether they come from the Muslim world, Buddhist world, the Christian world, or the non-believing world, they are members of the Body of Christ, because they've been called by God. They may not even know the name of Jesus...and I think they are saved, and that they are going to be in heaven with us."

Robert Schuller (overjoyed): "What I hear you saying is that it's possible for Jesus Christ to come into human hearts and soul and life even if they've been born into darkness and never had exposure to the Bible. Is that a correct interpretation of what you are saying?"

Billy Graham: "Yes it is, because I believe that. I've met people in various parts of the world...that have never seen a Bible or heard about a Bible, and never heard of Jesus, but they've believed in their hearts that there was a God."
[source] Billy Graham is a Great Deceiver
 
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You say Gods word does not say homosexuality is wrong…….yikes….ok know that we know where your at…..not reading the bible. But please continue on with your false teachings.

I have looked up more than you know, thou you may think your all knowing of me you are not. By the way the bible says homosexuality is sin. And it says the harlot of babylon is a city….we won't go into what city, but its not hollywood. I think your post sums up what I have seen from the beginning…..it speaks for itself, I rest my case. Now others can see what I have from the beginning.

God Bless.
 
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The bible says man should not lie with man, homosexuality is not found in the bible.

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination"

Yikes uyou have no ideawhere I am at because you have hardly spoken a word to me.

Why would God tell his people to come out of the harlot then?
If it is a city confined to a certain point of time, why would God say come out of her?

It is a spiritual city.

You do not want to know,you never will know.
 
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Thank you
 
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Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

How are we to come out of that city? That city, the God of it is Satan and we are not to be a part of it. In other words, do not follow the ways of this world.
 
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Actually, yes the Bible says homosexuality is sin.

1 Cor. 6:9-10

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
 
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Most of the time, when people discuss a subject, and then find out they disagree, and say "Let's just agree to disagree" is over things that cannot be known either way (yet) for sure.

I agree that it is divisive and creates houses divided against themselves... Take infant baptism, or purgatory for example, you'd think that we could prove to the people who subscribe to these ideas that their is NO SCRIPTURAL BASIS for those things, and have them agree with us and join with us in one mind, but it's just not that simple.

But some subjects like sanctification, we disagree on exactly what that means, and whether or not one has to be sanctified to be saved, or whether a measure of repentance from previous behaviors or sins, should be included when you say you have been "saved"

I wish there were a way that we could all agree, but that's just not very practical.

What do you propose are things we should all be agreeing on, that would unite, instead of divide over. Is there a single doctrine that is true and accurate biblically?

There are some things we do agree on from which we could start to build a foundation for this, one is that we all "believe" on Jesus Christ and accept him as our Lord, King, and savior, and agree that you must believe to be saved. And most of us accept the "saved by grace through faith" doctrine. Most of agree that faith is integral component for one to be saved and walk with Christ...

In order to agree we must get back to the basics, and reconstruct a solid foundation of things first that we all agree on, and AFTER we have done that, begin to tackle the issues we disagree on...

So, let's do that, let's start with things about Christ, and the Christian faith that all Christian denominations or sects can agree on...

Ideas?
 
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There are some things we do agree on from which we could start to build a foundation for this, one is that we all "believe" on Jesus Christ and accept him as our Lord, King, and savior, and agree that you must believe to be saved.
Strangely enough, we cannot even get agreement on this very fundamental of fundamentals.

Some will add the sacraments and Mary to this, others will add the works of the Law, others will add works of righteousness, others will add water baptism, and on and on it goes.
 
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