do mute people go to hell no matterwhat

dobieman0488 · Jun 27, 2012

Romans 10:9 "If you confess with your mouth, that Jesus is Lord and believe that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved'. Mute people can't confess with their mouth, so can a mute person be saved? I heard a pastor say it needs to be verbalized, which really sounds wrong, since then a mute person cannot be saved

Christownsme · Jun 27, 2012

I really think not. I believe "confess with your mouth" translates into "declare it to yourself and God as best you can." A mute can confess Jesus Christ is Lord in his own heart and thinking, and that would fulfill the translation. For those who are not mute, it is good to confess with the mouth.

bobsterInJapan · Jun 27, 2012

They can put a pencil in their mouth and write it down on a piece of paper!

That's a joke. God isn't legalistic.

dobson67 · Jun 27, 2012

I agree with Christownsme. Jesus emphasized what was in your heart. Matthew 15:17-20 Sums it all up:

"Do you not yet understand that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and is eliminated? But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. These are the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man." (NKJV)

gav1nzdad · Jun 28, 2012

Mike543231 said:
silliness is a curse upon your mind, your sinister laughter and giggling is that of an forsaken imp. When the world is full of people who laugh at holiness and goodness, simply because it is goodness, then you will be living in a world so full of dung and misery, you will laugh at your own death, and welcome it.

Thanks Mike, very well said. i may have to borrow this!

My uncle was deaf/mute. He died three years ago. For someone to think this IS silliness. To write it up and post it on a forum like this not only shows insensitivity, but just plain foolishness.

TheManOfDust · Jun 28, 2012

dobieman0488 said:
Romans 10:9 "If you confess with your mouth, that Jesus is Lord and believe that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved'. Mute people can't confess with their mouth, so can a mute person be saved? I heard a pastor say it needs to be verbalized, which really sounds wrong, since then a mute person cannot be saved

I'm sorry, but the fact that you would even think this is sad. Do you think our God is so petty, so thin-skinned that he would condemn a mute man for not being able to do something that, by definition, he cannot do? Please.

Ezekiel

Bridgit · Jun 28, 2012

I haven't had a good laugh for a while until now!

garydoc · Jun 28, 2012

This is a disgusting question, in my opinion.

Nienna_Lady_of_Tears · Jun 28, 2012

dobieman0488 said:
Romans 10:9 "If you confess with your mouth, that Jesus is Lord and believe that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved'. Mute people can't confess with their mouth, so can a mute person be saved? I heard a pastor say it needs to be verbalized, which really sounds wrong, since then a mute person cannot be saved

Well, since for mute people, the way they talk would be sign language, then they could sign it. Or write it. Either way, there are ways to verbalize the decision. To verbalize does not always have to be orally.

dobson67 · Jun 28, 2012

Matthew 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

Matthew 19:26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

I've found three verses thus far that state what God is looking for is faith in HEART not Confessions with MOUTH. You seems stuck on that one verse Dobieman. I would suggest doing a biblical search for "pure of Heart" and see what comes up.

miamited · Jun 29, 2012

hi dobieman,

Actually a mute person can confess with their mouth. You just can't hear it, but God can. In a fellowship of believers that I was a part of many years ago there was a fairly large contingent of deaf and mute that attended because we had a signer who would sign the teacher's message during the service. You could tell when they were excited about the Lord their mouths would move and they would utter grunts and groanings, but you just knew that God could hear and understand every word that they were thinking to say.

God bless you.
IN Christ, Ted

Nienna_Lady_of_Tears · Jun 29, 2012

John 3:16... says WHOSOEVER BELIEVES. It doesn't say has to say it.

garydoc · Jul 1, 2012

Salvation is by faith from (Romans 1:16-17).

revrobor · Jul 1, 2012

For those who have heard the Gospel and have faith that it is true it is Jesus' sacrifice that saves them. It is not their "faith" that saves them. This has been an erroneous teaching for far too long. Without Jesus' sacrifice one's "faith" counts for nothing. This erroneous teaching has caused many people to fear that if they have doubts they will lose their salvation.

gav1nzdad · Jul 1, 2012

revrobor said:
For those who have heard the Gospel and have faith that it is true it is Jesus' sacrifice that saves them. It is not their "faith" that saves them. This has been an erroneous teaching for far too long. Without Jesus' sacrifice one's "faith" counts for nothing. This erroneous teaching has caused many people to fear that if they have doubts they will lose their salvation.

Interesting point. But isn't faith required?

revrobor · Jul 1, 2012

gav1nzdad said:
Interesting point. But isn't faith required?

Those verses have been wrongly interpreted. No, faith, as I said above, does not save anyone. If one has faith that Jesus sacrifice is true then they are saved. If one does not believe His sacrifice is true then they are not saved. But, again, it is not the "faith" that is the instrument of salvation it is Jesus' sacrifice.

gav1nzdad · Jul 1, 2012

revrobor said:
Those verses have been wrongly interpreted. No, faith, as I said above, does not save anyone. If one has faith that Jesus sacrifice is true then they are saved. If one does not believe His sacrifice is true then they are not saved. But, again, it is not the "faith" that is the instrument of salvation it is Jesus' sacrifice.

Sure. I agree with that. Jesus' sacrifice is what saves us. But if we have no faith in that sacrifice, then we are not saved.

I think I just said the same thing you did! LOL

Anyway, I guess we are in agreement.

Angeldove97 · Jul 5, 2012

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garydoc · Jul 5, 2012

Revrobor,
I agree with you here. Faith is the vehicle of salvation, not the salvation itself. The salvation is the substitutionary atonement by Jesus on the cross. Faith in the atoning sacrifice saves us, from start to finish. There is no work we must do to be saved, only faith in Jesus saving death and bodily resurrection. If we make "oral confession" into a work which someone is incapable of doing for physical reasons, that misses the mark.

toolite · Jul 5, 2012

dobieman0488 said:
Romans 10:9 "If you confess with your mouth, that Jesus is Lord and believe that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved'. Mute people can't confess with their mouth, so can a mute person be saved? I heard a pastor say it needs to be verbalized, which really sounds wrong, since then a mute person cannot be saved

your soul is what stands before God. God holds you accountable for your works the good and the bad.. and even while in flesh your intentions or real intent is always being looked at.

All The Glory Belongs To God Forever!

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