I was proposing the possibility of it and it is as I see it. But the fact that the outcome of matters existence can be change by the observer in some quantum physics experiments suggests that is exactly the case.
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I know of no instance of consciousness "Living outside of matter". Do you have any evidence of this ever occurring?
This is a common misunderstanding of the observer effect. The observer does not need to be conscious, and the fact that the observer is conscious has no bearing on the outcome.I was proposing the possibility of it and it is as I see it. But the fact that the outcome of matters existence can be change by the observer in some quantum physics experiments suggests that is exactly the case.
You are introducing a deity into it. I am not.
I am only proposing that life comes only from life.
Also, you are avoiding the question. What keeps scientists from testing whether life comes only from life?
Every observation indicates otherwise.
You are already testing it by trying to force nature into doing what it can't.
You once claimed that dirty rags produced mice and rotten food maggots right? Try something similar with abiogenesis. Let's see what results you get.
You seem incapable of or unwilling to accept an explanation that doesn't
conform to your preconceptions of what was written. In short, you prefer to argue against your strawman.
You do not know my beliefs. Perhaps you should refrain from speaking on them until you do?You know no instance of life arising from abiogenesis. Neither do you have evidence of it ever occurring. Yet that doesn't interfere with your beliefs.
I was proposing the possibility of it and it is as I see it.
But the fact that the outcome of matters existence can be change by the observer in some quantum physics experiments suggests that is exactly the case.
Are you referring to the Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser experiment? I'm curious about what an unconscious observer might be. Thanks.This is a common misunderstanding of the observer effect. The observer does not need to be conscious, and the fact that the observer is conscious has no bearing on the outcome.
...Any object within the quantum field. The fundamental issue of the observer problem is that observation changes the experiment. This isn't because just looking at it changes things, it's because, for example, a photon (which we need to observe an electron) will slightly shift a photon's tragectory.Are you referring to the Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser experiment? I'm curious about what an unconscious observer might be. Thanks.
Are you saying that when you see a fire, that there is no test you can conduct to see if what you are looking at is actually fire?
I am saying that you cannot prove the fire to be real outside of your consciousness, the same as you cannot prove what you are seeing when you are dreaming is real.
Is what you are seeing when you are dreaming real? What if this life is only a dream compared to the next (after death)?
Consciousness can properly possess eternal properties, while the physical world doesn't.
Are you referring to the Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser experiment? I'm curious about what an unconscious observer might be. Thanks.
I am saying that you cannot prove the fire to be real outside of your consciousness, the same as you cannot prove what you are seeing when you are dreaming is real. Is what you are seeing when you are dreaming real? What if this life is only a dream compared to the next (after death)?
Yes the fire is real to you
, but the physical world is not the substance of eternity
Consciousness can properly possess eternal properties, while the physical world doesn't.
What if you are just a brain in a vat?
It seems rather real to everybody else as well....
What does that even mean?
If you say so.
You're gonna have to make a lot more sense then that, though.
Does the physical world have eternal properties? Do you even know what an eternal property must look like?
Eternal properties means something has the ability to be self-sustaining
and the physical world does not have that capability and cannot even be proven to be real outside of a person's conscious existence.
Since the physical world is not eternal and doesn't have eternal qualities, the minds of scientists keep looking to understand what is the beginning of the universe.
Consciousness has the capability of being an eternal substance
, as it is conceivably possible that a conscious existence can exist without being destroyed
, if it exists outside of a physical body.
When you dream, you dream you have a body and that you are in a physical world: but does that physical world or body exist? No, so why do you think this one does: outside of consciousness?
I was proposing the possibility of it and it is as I see it. But the fact that the outcome of matters existence can be change by the observer in some quantum physics experiments suggests that is exactly the case.
No, it can't. You can't change matter by observing it.
So here is a fantastic article debunking biocentrism. It not only explains all of the science that Mr. Lanza doesn't understand...it also explains all the science that proves biocentrism is completely false. Take a look...it's really a good article...
http://nirmukta.com/2009/12/14/bioc...robert-lanzas-notion-of-a-conscious-universe/
Lanza really only gained a following amongst those who don't really understand science either. There's a good reason why scientists call biocentrism nonsense and don't give it any credence as a theory.
I don't know what your second link was supposed to be. It led me to a blank page.
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