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<blockquote data-quote="lucaspa" data-source="post: 528164" data-attributes="member: 4882"><p>Originally posted by Athlon4all <em>It doesn't specifically say evolution is wrong. However, it says that God created the earth in six days (Exodus 20:11)</em>, </p><p></p><p>That verse isn't concerned with how the earth was created, but in justifying the existence of the Sabbath.&nbsp; I submit that you are not reading the intent of the author.&nbsp; For instance, do you take Exodus 23:10-13 literally and make farmers keep their fields fallow in the seventh year?&nbsp; See, you are picking and choosing which verses to "believe" and which to discard.</p><p></p><p><em>There is not a shred of indication in the Word that God used Evolution to create the world</em>, </p><p></p><p>Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.</p><p></p><p><em>and there is every indication that God created the world by direct act in 6 days</em>.</p><p></p><p>Then you need to look at Genesis 2:4.&nbsp; That verse says that God created the world <strong>in one day.&nbsp; </strong>Yep, look at the word "beyom", translated as "in <strong>the </strong>day". Other&nbsp;statements in the Bible about creation don't mention a time frame, simply that God&nbsp;created.&nbsp;</p><p></p><p><em>Yep thats right. Nothing will ever change my mind, the Bible teaches that Evolution is wrong</em>.</p><p></p><p>Then there is no point discussing with you, is there?&nbsp; Good for you that they no longer stone people for apostasy.&nbsp; Because you have just set up yourself as above God.</p><p></p><p><em>But, how can you ignore the picture of the dust? Thats clearly speaking of the physical death</em>, </p><p></p><p>No, it's referring to spiritual death.&nbsp; Going back to dust without an immortal soul to keep living. After all, <strong>your </strong>body is going back to dust, isn't it? And you think you will live forever, don't you?</p><p></p><p><em>I think that the tree of life is speaking of the food needed for everlasting life, and if it is not eaten consistantly, then you will not live forever</em>.</p><p></p><p>Boy, for such a Biblical literalist, you certainly don't mind bringing in opinions of yours that are totally outside the Bible, do you?&nbsp; Notice that when Christians bring in opinions on evolution based on physical evidence outside the Bible, you say they are wrong. When you bring in <strong>opinions</strong>&nbsp; that are totally outside the Bible, it is OK.&nbsp; This says "double standard" to me.&nbsp; If eating the Tree of Knowledge <strong>once</strong>&nbsp; caused complete failure, why do you think (from the text of the Bible <strong>only) </strong>that you have to eat of the Tree of Life continuously?</p><p></p><p><em>Totally wrong. Thats elevated science above the Bible</em>. </p><p></p><p>Read Jerry Smith's reply and then read the quote again:&nbsp; If sound science appears to contradict the Bible, we may be sure that it is <strong>our interpretation</strong> of the Bible that is at fault." </p><p></p><p>I submit that you have confused <strong>your interpretation </strong>with the Bible.&nbsp; </p><p></p><p><em>You start with the Bible, and it is the infallible Word of God. I would, my faith in the Word of God, which inexcapable says that the Earth was made in six 6 days, Exodus 20:11</em>. </p><p></p><p><strong>YOU</strong> start with <strong>your interpretation</strong> and then say that <strong>you</strong> are infallible.&nbsp; You look at Exodus 20:11 and ignore Genesis 2:4? Why is that?</p><p></p><p><em>The term day does not mean age in this place</em>. </p><p></p><p>Then the same term "yom" in "beyom" in Genesis 2:4 cannot mean "6 days" there, can it?</p><p></p><p><em>The Bible teaches that there was no physical death before man sinned. God created earth to be the habitat of man, in there sinless bodies, to live forever</em>. </p><p></p><p>Where does it say that the bodies were sinless?&nbsp; Not in Genesis 1:25.</p><p></p><p><em>you need to start with the Bible alone and then interperet the physical evidence to support the Bible</em>&nbsp; </p><p></p><p>No one can do that.&nbsp; You <strong>must</strong> use extrabiblical knowledge to interpret the Bible. Even starting with "In the beginning, Elohim created the heavens and the earth" you have to use your extrabiblical knowledge to know what "beginning", "heavens", and "earth" are.&nbsp; There is nothing in the verse to tell you.</p><p></p><p>What this view ignores is that God made <strong>two</strong> books, didn't He?&nbsp; After all, didn't God create the earth?&nbsp; Then the heavens and earth are the <strong>second</strong> book of God.&nbsp; Christians have long recognized this.</p><p></p><p>Once again, creationists are more ignorant of Christianity than they are of science. The Bible tells you the <strong>who</strong> and <strong>why</strong> of creation.&nbsp; The second book of God tells you <strong>how</strong> God created.&nbsp; What you are doing is placing <strong>your</strong> version of how God created above what God is telling us.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="lucaspa, post: 528164, member: 4882"] Originally posted by Athlon4all [I]It doesn't specifically say evolution is wrong. However, it says that God created the earth in six days (Exodus 20:11)[/I], That verse isn't concerned with how the earth was created, but in justifying the existence of the Sabbath. I submit that you are not reading the intent of the author. For instance, do you take Exodus 23:10-13 literally and make farmers keep their fields fallow in the seventh year? See, you are picking and choosing which verses to "believe" and which to discard. [I]There is not a shred of indication in the Word that God used Evolution to create the world[/I], Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. [I]and there is every indication that God created the world by direct act in 6 days[/I]. Then you need to look at Genesis 2:4. That verse says that God created the world [B]in one day. [/B]Yep, look at the word "beyom", translated as "in [B]the [/B]day". Other statements in the Bible about creation don't mention a time frame, simply that God created. [I]Yep thats right. Nothing will ever change my mind, the Bible teaches that Evolution is wrong[/I]. Then there is no point discussing with you, is there? Good for you that they no longer stone people for apostasy. Because you have just set up yourself as above God. [I]But, how can you ignore the picture of the dust? Thats clearly speaking of the physical death[/I], No, it's referring to spiritual death. Going back to dust without an immortal soul to keep living. After all, [B]your [/B]body is going back to dust, isn't it? And you think you will live forever, don't you? [I]I think that the tree of life is speaking of the food needed for everlasting life, and if it is not eaten consistantly, then you will not live forever[/I]. Boy, for such a Biblical literalist, you certainly don't mind bringing in opinions of yours that are totally outside the Bible, do you? Notice that when Christians bring in opinions on evolution based on physical evidence outside the Bible, you say they are wrong. When you bring in [B]opinions[/B] that are totally outside the Bible, it is OK. This says "double standard" to me. If eating the Tree of Knowledge [B]once[/B] caused complete failure, why do you think (from the text of the Bible [B]only) [/B]that you have to eat of the Tree of Life continuously? [I]Totally wrong. Thats elevated science above the Bible[/I]. Read Jerry Smith's reply and then read the quote again: If sound science appears to contradict the Bible, we may be sure that it is [B]our interpretation[/B] of the Bible that is at fault." I submit that you have confused [B]your interpretation [/B]with the Bible. [I]You start with the Bible, and it is the infallible Word of God. I would, my faith in the Word of God, which inexcapable says that the Earth was made in six 6 days, Exodus 20:11[/I]. [B]YOU[/B] start with [B]your interpretation[/B] and then say that [B]you[/B] are infallible. You look at Exodus 20:11 and ignore Genesis 2:4? Why is that? [I]The term day does not mean age in this place[/I]. Then the same term "yom" in "beyom" in Genesis 2:4 cannot mean "6 days" there, can it? [I]The Bible teaches that there was no physical death before man sinned. God created earth to be the habitat of man, in there sinless bodies, to live forever[/I]. Where does it say that the bodies were sinless? Not in Genesis 1:25. [I]you need to start with the Bible alone and then interperet the physical evidence to support the Bible[/I] No one can do that. You [B]must[/B] use extrabiblical knowledge to interpret the Bible. Even starting with "In the beginning, Elohim created the heavens and the earth" you have to use your extrabiblical knowledge to know what "beginning", "heavens", and "earth" are. There is nothing in the verse to tell you. What this view ignores is that God made [B]two[/B] books, didn't He? After all, didn't God create the earth? Then the heavens and earth are the [B]second[/B] book of God. Christians have long recognized this. Once again, creationists are more ignorant of Christianity than they are of science. The Bible tells you the [B]who[/B] and [B]why[/B] of creation. The second book of God tells you [B]how[/B] God created. What you are doing is placing [B]your[/B] version of how God created above what God is telling us. [/QUOTE]
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