Do dead people know they're dead?

[talquin]

This question is largely for Christians. Do you believe a person who has died or ceased to live knows they are no longer living?

 

[bhsmte]

This question is largely for Christians. Do you believe a person who has died or ceased to live knows they are no longer living?

Good chance, the dead person doesn't know much of anything.

 

[Wryetui]

Good chance, the dead person doesn't know much of anything.

How do you know they don't? Have you been dead and we didn't know?

I prefer to trust Christ, He is the only one who came back from the dead to tell us what is awaiting for us in the next life. What a surprise will be for all the atheists to die and realize they are still conscious, they still have their memories, they still think or reason, but they will be facing the God they rejected their entire lives.

 

[bhsmte]

How do you know they don't? Have you been dead and we didn't know?

I prefer to trust Christ, He is the only one who came back from the dead to tell us what is awaiting for us in the next life. What a surprise will be for all the atheists to die and realize they are still conscious, they still have their memories, they still think or reason, but they will be facing the God they rejected their entire lives.

I don't know for sure, just basing my opinion on knowledge of how our brains work.

You can believe what you like.

 

[TillICollapse]

You want to define "dead" ? Otherwise one could argue (which I'm not arguing, btw) that OOBEs and NDEs may show a person can "know they are dead".

Personally, for the sake of such arguments, I would probably define "death" as: beyond the expectation of any intervention to resuscitate or reverse what are medically recognized as non-functioning circulatory/nervous/respiratory systems. Such a definition should still leave some play for bodies preserved through cryonics, for example.

 

[TillICollapse]

How do you know they don't? Have you been dead and we didn't know?

I prefer to trust Christ, He is the only one who came back from the dead to tell us what is awaiting for us in the next life. What a surprise will be for all the atheists to die and realize they are still conscious, they still have their memories, they still think or reason, but they will be facing the God they rejected their entire lives.

Let me ask you a question: *if* you believe in some form of eternal punishment in the afterlife, are you hoping that there are people who will suffer and be punished in the afterlife for such things as belief ?

 

[talquin]

How do you know they don't? Have you been dead and we didn't know?

I prefer to trust Christ, He is the only one who came back from the dead to tell us what is awaiting for us in the next life. What a surprise will be for all the atheists to die and realize they are still conscious, they still have their memories, they still think or reason, but they will be facing the God they rejected their entire lives.

Why should they worry when such a god loves them?

If such a god knows everything, then he would know that the atheists didn't reject god out of hatred, spite or some other malicious reason, but didn't believe he existed simply due to lack of evidence.

 

[talquin]

You want to define "dead" ? Otherwise one could argue (which I'm not arguing, btw) that OOBEs and NDEs may show a person can "know they are dead".

Personally, for the sake of such arguments, I would probably define "death" as: beyond the expectation of any intervention to resuscitate or reverse what are medically recognized as non-functioning circulatory/nervous/respiratory systems. Such a definition should still leave some play for bodies preserved through cryonics, for example.

If that's the definition of death, then if Jesus did "rise from the dead", then Jesus was never dead in the first place.

 

[TillICollapse]

If that's the definition of death, then if Jesus did "rise from the dead", then Jesus was never dead in the first place.

Huh ? How do you mean ?

 

[talquin]

Huh ? How do you mean ?

If Jesus was dead, then by your definition, he was beyond the expectation of any intervention to resuscitate or reverse what are medically recognized as non-functioning circulatory/nervous/respiratory systems. . If he then came back to life or ceased being dead, then his condition was reversible - which means either he wasn't dead or your definition of dead is wrong.

 

[mmksparbud]

(Ecc 9:4) For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion.

(Ecc 9:5) For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

 

[TillICollapse]

If Jesus was dead, then by your definition, he was beyond the expectation of any intervention to resuscitate or reverse what are medically recognized as non-functioning circulatory/nervous/respiratory systems. . If he then came back to life or ceased being dead, then his condition was reversible - which means either he wasn't dead or your definition of dead is wrong.

But I wasn't attempting to define concepts of resurrection or "afterlife" in my post, I was attempting to define "death" in a useful way for such conversations as "Do dead people know they are dead ?"

Would you like to define what you mean by "dead" ? I opened my post with asking if you want to define it.

Also, I'm not totally getting why you brought up Jesus in relation to my post ... ? Are you trying to address whom you believe to be resurrected in some fashion as well with your use of the word "dead" ?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Bruce Willis didn't.

 

[GrimKingGrim]

You'd have to establish first that the dead can know ANYTHING first

 

[talquin]

But I wasn't attempting to define concepts of resurrection or "afterlife" in my post, I was attempting to define "death" in a useful way for such conversations as "Do dead people know they are dead ?"

Would you like to define what you mean by "dead" ? I opened my post with asking if you want to define it.

Also, I'm not totally getting why you brought up Jesus in relation to my post ... ? Are you trying to address whom you believe to be resurrected in some fashion as well with your use of the word "dead" ?

Dead is the condition of one who has ceased living without being able to return to life.

 

[TillICollapse]

Dead is the condition of one who has ceased living without being able to return to life.

Gotcha.

 

[Albion]

If Jesus was dead, then by your definition, he was beyond the expectation of any intervention to resuscitate or reverse what are medically recognized as non-functioning circulatory/nervous/respiratory systems. . If he then came back to life or ceased being dead, then his condition was reversible - which means either he wasn't dead or your definition of dead is wrong.

Or....being God, his experience was not the same as for the rest of us.

 

[talquin]

Dead is the condition of one who has ceased living without being able to return to life.

Gotcha.

Is that your way of saying you don't wish to discuss this with me anymore?

 

[talquin]

Or....being God, his experience was not the same as for the rest of us.

Still, if Jesus was dead, then when he came back to life, he wasn't really Jesus - he was a new person with a new life. Otherwise you're stretching the meaning of 'dead' to say he rose from the dead or came back to life from the dead.

So let me put this to you in simpler form: has Jesus ever been dead?

 

[Albion]

Still, if Jesus was dead, then when he came back to life, he wasn't really Jesus - he was a new person with a new life.

I don't think so.

So let me put this to you in simpler form: has Jesus ever been dead?

Yes.