Do cutters have demons or are spiritually oppressed or something? I've talked to people before that was such bad cutters that they couldn't stop cutting. Should they do something like plead the blood of Jesus, come against the demonic forces or something. Orinary going to psychiatrist and taking meds didn't help them. If they don't stop cutting, they could die. Cutters can become suicidally depressed and not care after awhile when they can't stop the pain inside. Can't God set people free from this, and are there hope in Jesus. My prayer for someone who is seriously hurting or cutting is that God takes them in his arms and holds them close and tells them he loves them. As long as God has them im his arms of love, and they could feel his love, they would be alright. Problem is getting where I can really feel God's love.
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I don't know about demons, but I do know God can set anyone free from anything Dalex.
It's a matter of perseverance, praising God and praying.
It's a matter of perseverance, praising God and praying.
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anyone can be pestered in spiritual warfare.
but if it is a child of God... no.
even children of God have to unlearn, re-new and learn to be a child of God...
that includes needing therepy and meds as a gift from God/ a support tool.
we all wrestle with the darkness. some people suffer in cutting. most of it i believe is instilled as coping tools: punishment, feelings, pain. or as a sustitute for something else.
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Ephesians 6:10-18
10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15 and having shod you feet with the preparationof the gospel of peace;
16 above all, taking the sheild of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one.
17 and take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the spirit which is the word of God.
18 praying always with prater and supplication in the spirit, being watchful to this end with all perserverance and supplication for all the saints.
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Ephesians 4
11 It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, 12 to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. 14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming. 15 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ. 16 From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work. 17 So I tell you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking. 18 They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts. 19 Having lost all sensitivity, they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, with a continual lust for more. 20 You, however, did not come to know Christ that way. 21 Surely you heard of him and were taught in him in accordance with the truth that is in Jesus. 22 You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; 23 to be made new in the attitude of your minds; 24 and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.
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this all is why fellowship, love and compassion are so important. uniting family and knowlege, carrying one another, and seeking God's purposes through holding up one another. how else can we teach the words and actions that heal?
we all need one another.
but if it is a child of God... no.
even children of God have to unlearn, re-new and learn to be a child of God...
that includes needing therepy and meds as a gift from God/ a support tool.
we all wrestle with the darkness. some people suffer in cutting. most of it i believe is instilled as coping tools: punishment, feelings, pain. or as a sustitute for something else.
........................................................................................................
Ephesians 6:10-18
10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15 and having shod you feet with the preparationof the gospel of peace;
16 above all, taking the sheild of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one.
17 and take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the spirit which is the word of God.
18 praying always with prater and supplication in the spirit, being watchful to this end with all perserverance and supplication for all the saints.
.......................................................................................................
Ephesians 4
11 It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, 12 to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. 14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming. 15 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ. 16 From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work. 17 So I tell you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking. 18 They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts. 19 Having lost all sensitivity, they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, with a continual lust for more. 20 You, however, did not come to know Christ that way. 21 Surely you heard of him and were taught in him in accordance with the truth that is in Jesus. 22 You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; 23 to be made new in the attitude of your minds; 24 and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.
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this all is why fellowship, love and compassion are so important. uniting family and knowlege, carrying one another, and seeking God's purposes through holding up one another. how else can we teach the words and actions that heal?
we all need one another.
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As a cutter, I have to disagree with something you said in your post.
First, I do not believe we are plagued by demons or are of the occult. I realize that's what you were asking...and that's my opinion.
Second, going to psychiatrists and taking meds can help. I've been seeing both a therapist and a psychiatrist for a couple of years now, and I'm doing a lot better than I was before I saw them. I also recently learned that there is a medication that helps SI'ers by blocking the release of endorphins when they cut, thus making cutting or SI painful and thus helping them to stop.
I guess that's about it...just wanted to clear that up.
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First, I do not believe we are plagued by demons or are of the occult. I realize that's what you were asking...and that's my opinion.
Second, going to psychiatrists and taking meds can help. I've been seeing both a therapist and a psychiatrist for a couple of years now, and I'm doing a lot better than I was before I saw them. I also recently learned that there is a medication that helps SI'ers by blocking the release of endorphins when they cut, thus making cutting or SI painful and thus helping them to stop.
I guess that's about it...just wanted to clear that up.
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I would have to respectfully disagree. I am a child of Gof and I have to deal with spiritual warfare all the time. I believe that is my ministry, teaching others how to fight demonic spirits. My 15 yr old son tried to kill himself last yr (he's adopted and lost by his mom and dad in 1999) He was thinking of giving his life to Christ and thats when demonic forces started tormenting him. What most people don't know is that demons attack children and most often between the hours of 1 and 3am. The second time he "tried to kill himself" was in front of me and he took a big blade and kept trying to slice his arm. I learned from another member on another site how to fight these demons and rebuke them. My son told me that he felt as if someone was trying to get him in his sleep and was being tormented with bad dreams about his mother. This led him to be very depressed. Once I started rebuking sprits with him things took a complete different turn. He was back to the loving young man I know and love. It didn't work itself out overnight but as soon as I started rebuking the demon spirit was gone and what really surprised me is you don't have to put hands on the person or scream "I rebuke you in the name of Jesus" especially if it is a child, you don't want to scare them or make them think they are evil. I would whisper it in the same room and he wouldn't know it, but the spirit would.
There was one instance where he was getting pretty angry and I had company over and he began to get loud and outraged and I started rebuking the demonic spirits and praying whispering of course and he looked at me and said "what are you doing?" In such a tone that was scary. I kept rebuking and he turned to me and smiled and said "I love you Auntie" The very friend that taught me this had a eerily same experience.
As far as demons messing with children of God, they do and will. Just a wk ago today my dh told me he had some indescrestions with another woman, which is totally out of character for my husband. Yes I believe it was demons because I have been called by God to do his work and although I have been running because I didn't think I was good enough, 2 weeks ago I broke down and readied myself for these gifts that God has for me. Hence the reason the devil stepped in and attacked my marriage. Sunday in fellowship with God I worked through my feelings and my dh and I were doing very good but now I am really depressed and all I can think of is what he did and how he hurt me. Who do you think is reminding me of what he did?
I believe demonic forces are definately at work here. It is my belief that people who have more struggles and satan is trying to take them out, its for a specific reason. It could very well be that they have a calling as well or that God has something specifically in store for them. I would try rebuking spirits and see if that helps. Don't forget to rebuke by the blood of Jesus, demons hate that.
There was one instance where he was getting pretty angry and I had company over and he began to get loud and outraged and I started rebuking the demonic spirits and praying whispering of course and he looked at me and said "what are you doing?" In such a tone that was scary. I kept rebuking and he turned to me and smiled and said "I love you Auntie" The very friend that taught me this had a eerily same experience.
As far as demons messing with children of God, they do and will. Just a wk ago today my dh told me he had some indescrestions with another woman, which is totally out of character for my husband. Yes I believe it was demons because I have been called by God to do his work and although I have been running because I didn't think I was good enough, 2 weeks ago I broke down and readied myself for these gifts that God has for me. Hence the reason the devil stepped in and attacked my marriage. Sunday in fellowship with God I worked through my feelings and my dh and I were doing very good but now I am really depressed and all I can think of is what he did and how he hurt me. Who do you think is reminding me of what he did?
I believe demonic forces are definately at work here. It is my belief that people who have more struggles and satan is trying to take them out, its for a specific reason. It could very well be that they have a calling as well or that God has something specifically in store for them. I would try rebuking spirits and see if that helps. Don't forget to rebuke by the blood of Jesus, demons hate that.
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Those who believe need to remember that Jesus is in them.
A little Girl was pacing the floor in a store called Value Village, on the wall was a broken Nativity set, with a baby Jesus outside of the manger.
The GIrl wanted to take it but knew mommy didn;t have enough money. But it was Jesus so she thought she would do the right thing and ask mommy.
Mommy said no. And the Girl cried. Amidst the sniffles she said, But I want to take Jesus home so he can love me and I can love him.
The mom replied. "But Jesus is inside you all the time. Always loving you."
That is where to find the Love of God, within your heart, where it's always been.
Anyway... no I don't believe they have demons. Cutting is like smoking, dangerous, bad for your health, and addicting. Once you get started it's hard to stop.
But Gods love can conquer anything, no matter what. It's hard, it's like conquering an addiction to Pornography. But it can be done.
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There is such a thing as the spiritual realm. There are good spirits and bad spirits. The good spirits are from heaven and represent love, peace, joy, kindness, patience etc. The bad spirits promote and oppress us through pain, violence, hate, destruction, bad thoughts etc. Jesus wants to love us and protect us. He wouldn't inspire us to cut ourselves and inflict pain on ourselves. The devil and his demons are bound to go to hell one day and all they can do to hurt Jesus is to steal souls from him. The devil and demons can severely oppress non-believers and believers alike. We as Christians can call on the name of Jesus for protection however.
When we first get saved this is when the trials begin. The devil and his demons don't like new believers. The problem with new believers like myself is I overcame cutting by turning my life over to Jesus. He doesn't want me to spread the good news to others for cutting is just a stonghold that he has on some people's lives. Since starting to post here I have been under spiritual attack from the enemy but it isn't going to stop me from helping others to see the light. The attacks were intimidating at first but Jesus only allows them so you can learn to deal with them and lean on his shoulder for support and it proves that we can't survive here without him and depend on his protection.
2 Timothy 1:7 For God did not give us the spirit of fear, but the spirit of Love, Truth, and of a Sound Mind. The attacks can be brutal at times but we have to rely and trust in Jesus that he is always watching over us and will not let to much happen. We have to keep our faith in him. We can't give up and this is what the devil wants us to do because if we show a lack of faith then we are doubting the good, pleasing, perfect will of Jesus. Jesus is perfect and we dont have to worry about him forsaking us. Through are trials and tribulations we develop persevearance and are rewarded with blessings and eternal rewards. As Christians we have a target on our chest for we are the ones that are spreading the good news. Eternity in heaven if you give your life to Jesus and follow his will instead of what the flesh desires.
I opened gateways for demons to haunt me through Secular Heavy Metal and have experienced severe demonic oppression for the past 5 years. I know all about how they want to kill us and take our souls to hell. Satan is better known as the Father of Lies and all he will try to do is accuse us of being unfit and not worthy of the kingdom of God. Remember Jesus died for our sins through the crucifixion and after being raised from the dead he is now in heaven making intercessions for us. He is like our big brother and he pleads our case with Father God. Demonic forces are in the world but as Christians they are beneath are feet. We did not defeat them but when the spirit of God enters into your body then his spirit has defeated the devil and his fallen angels.
I would suggest everyone read up on Ephesians 6 which talks about the spiritual armor that has been given to us to protect us from the evil one. Don't give up the fight for we are all on our way to heaven and eternal peace, joy, and love.
Good luck in your fight and just turn it over to Jesus and let the Victor deal with it.
Romans 3:22
The righteousness of God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe.
May God Bless you for all you do in support of his Kingdom.
When we first get saved this is when the trials begin. The devil and his demons don't like new believers. The problem with new believers like myself is I overcame cutting by turning my life over to Jesus. He doesn't want me to spread the good news to others for cutting is just a stonghold that he has on some people's lives. Since starting to post here I have been under spiritual attack from the enemy but it isn't going to stop me from helping others to see the light. The attacks were intimidating at first but Jesus only allows them so you can learn to deal with them and lean on his shoulder for support and it proves that we can't survive here without him and depend on his protection.
2 Timothy 1:7 For God did not give us the spirit of fear, but the spirit of Love, Truth, and of a Sound Mind. The attacks can be brutal at times but we have to rely and trust in Jesus that he is always watching over us and will not let to much happen. We have to keep our faith in him. We can't give up and this is what the devil wants us to do because if we show a lack of faith then we are doubting the good, pleasing, perfect will of Jesus. Jesus is perfect and we dont have to worry about him forsaking us. Through are trials and tribulations we develop persevearance and are rewarded with blessings and eternal rewards. As Christians we have a target on our chest for we are the ones that are spreading the good news. Eternity in heaven if you give your life to Jesus and follow his will instead of what the flesh desires.
I opened gateways for demons to haunt me through Secular Heavy Metal and have experienced severe demonic oppression for the past 5 years. I know all about how they want to kill us and take our souls to hell. Satan is better known as the Father of Lies and all he will try to do is accuse us of being unfit and not worthy of the kingdom of God. Remember Jesus died for our sins through the crucifixion and after being raised from the dead he is now in heaven making intercessions for us. He is like our big brother and he pleads our case with Father God. Demonic forces are in the world but as Christians they are beneath are feet. We did not defeat them but when the spirit of God enters into your body then his spirit has defeated the devil and his fallen angels.
I would suggest everyone read up on Ephesians 6 which talks about the spiritual armor that has been given to us to protect us from the evil one. Don't give up the fight for we are all on our way to heaven and eternal peace, joy, and love.
Good luck in your fight and just turn it over to Jesus and let the Victor deal with it.
Romans 3:22
The righteousness of God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe.
May God Bless you for all you do in support of his Kingdom.
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If you don't know about self injury then please don't walk in here saying self injurers are possessed. If you're gonna do that, just go somewhere else. Please.
This is the last thing on the planet you want to say to someone with emotional issues.
This is the last thing on the planet you want to say to someone with emotional issues.
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20misti05 said:
I agree with Misti!!!! I have demons but not demons in that sense. My demons are my past and I am trying to deal with them.
DAlex - I have to say it seems to me that you are judging people on something you don't really know about. Please don't judge us - you don't know wny people cut - for most it's a control thing, other areas of our lives are so out of control we have to get that control back. Please try to understand and not judge!!! Thank you xxx
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I agree with Misti too! I think this approach (talking about demons and oppression) can sometimes be harmful for certain people, especially if it stops people getting help from professionals or taking medication when it was helping, which I have come across. Christian counsellors who have a good understanding of SI can be really beneficial and a great blessing to people, especially when they combine practical things (like distractions etc) with therapy and encouragement and help based on the scriptures and on Jesus's great love for us all!
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DAlex said:
I don't know how to do the quote thing but I was asking a question! I wasn't accusing anyone of having demons or anything. I just asked if after people tried meds and doctors and continued to get worse, could it be demons. I'm a cutter, too and the doctors and meds didn't help me either. The meds and counselling only help 80% of the people, so what do the other 20% get? Please, don't jump on me for asking a question.Thats fine that the meds and counselling helped alot of you. I had a suicidal spell last week at work and wanted so bad to hurt myself. Sorry, its a christian forum, I thought God would help and give hope for cutters.
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I have to say that all believers in Jesus will come up against spiritual warfare. The battlefield is the mind, and we must be transformed by the renewing of our mind. This does not mean we are possessed, but instead strongly influenced by Satanic forces. If we are not in the Word of God, praying and claiming the blood of Jesus power in our lives, we will be vulnerable to attack. We must fight this fight wearing the Spiritual armor of God.
I believe that medication is a tool we can use to help us, but without Jesus power we are lost.
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I believe that medication is a tool we can use to help us, but without Jesus power we are lost.
Romans 12:1-2
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the quote button is the last one on the bottom right.... i'm sorry you feel attacked. we all get carried away once and awhile. this is a very passionate topic. i've even gotten bit. we all need compassion with eachother. when we get passionate we post with it and it shows. 
... lets try to show the love passion ...if meds are not helping you... and you feel strongly about other things for your own life. pray about it. God moves us all in mysterious ways. maybe you are mislead from what you've been taught about your condition... but maybe the holy spirit is moving you to healling and revealling your needs to you.
this is really exciting! please tell us what happends! love dee
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DAlex said:
Sorry I attacked you - your question wasn't well stated and I thought you were accusing us of having demons!!! Like Dee said it's a passionate subject for alot of us. Sorry Alex!! I hope you come back because we all do help each other - I'm sorry you're struggling
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DAlex said:
This little bit of information makes all the difference.
I don't think professionals know how to deal with self-injury on a wide scale yet. Some of them even still consider it or mistake it for suicidal behavior, which is absolutely contrary to the purpose of self-injury.
I see self-injury as a symptom of a problem. I believe that the problem, to a great extent, is on a social scale. But rather than try to repair the world/society we live in they just try to stick us on pills. Pills help a physiological problem regarding any chemical problems we have.
I'm not surprised that your therapy hasn't helped. The SAFE program in Chicago has a successful treatment system.
There are books about Self-injury you may want to read up on. The doctors at SAFE ahve a book called Bodily Harm that is really good.
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DAlex said:
Firstly, there are some threads with contact details you could try, and Mr Cheese suggested some too. As I also said before, you could ask round in your church to see if there are any Christian counsellors, sometimes an approach which helps where ordinary counsellors don't.
Remember the Lord is always with you, no matter how you are feeling, and is there to hold on to and cling too in those really hard moment.
He's our rock, our fortress, our foothold in the storm.
for you, to find the help you need.
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I can understand what Alex is saying. And, the answer is no Alex. You see, Darkness cannot dwell with light.
Foilk who SI mostle have deep hurts. Hurts which they themselves cannot erase. Inside, they are grieving so much that they feel that they want to stop the grieving by creating pain as a way of escape. I think that's how it goes. I've been doing heaps of research on it lately, but am not a Dr or a Councellor.
As for demons, no, the Christian whose mind is stayed on Christ, on God, cannot have demons. They can have human problems the same as any other human, but, our Father is one step ahead all the time. He goes before those who Love Him.
In a human manner, He picks them up slowly. One day at a time, one step at a time, one minute at a time.
He in Infinite, we are just little humans with human little faults and flaws. And, on this earth, we do get hurt. VERY hurt, but, if we just keep our minds focused on God, He see's us through little by little.
They are not spiritually oppressed, they have been mainly humanly oppressed.
This has been their main conflict in life. It all boils down to man's inhumanity to man I think.
Foilk who SI mostle have deep hurts. Hurts which they themselves cannot erase. Inside, they are grieving so much that they feel that they want to stop the grieving by creating pain as a way of escape. I think that's how it goes. I've been doing heaps of research on it lately, but am not a Dr or a Councellor.
As for demons, no, the Christian whose mind is stayed on Christ, on God, cannot have demons. They can have human problems the same as any other human, but, our Father is one step ahead all the time. He goes before those who Love Him.
In a human manner, He picks them up slowly. One day at a time, one step at a time, one minute at a time.
He in Infinite, we are just little humans with human little faults and flaws. And, on this earth, we do get hurt. VERY hurt, but, if we just keep our minds focused on God, He see's us through little by little.
They are not spiritually oppressed, they have been mainly humanly oppressed.
This has been their main conflict in life. It all boils down to man's inhumanity to man I think.
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I don't believe we are possessed by demons. People who hurt themselves in physical ways are expressing what they are feeling on the outside. We are human. Thoughts will come into our minds, pain will sear us. But keep your head up, God will pull you out of the water.
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Why did someone change my title? Now it don't make as much sense without my title. But I never asked about demon possession, though. Some churches beleive a christian can be oppressed by demons though. As far as getting psychiatric help, the shrinks told me to talk to my pastor. Since I'm pentecostal, and my pastor does believe that christian can be oppressed by demons but not possessed that was the reason for the original question. He does pray for me and come against the oppressing spirits and plead the blood over my life too. But my pastor is busy and don't have time much to talk to me. Our church is growing and it is hard to accept that now he can't talk to me much either. People at church used to tell me to talk to our pastor and they walked away when I had been cutting. Now though, my pastor pushed me away too so I don't really have anyone at church to talk to and the shrinks and meds are no help.
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I'm sorry you don't have anyone at church to talk with. Maybe you'll find some friends to talk about it on this board.
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