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<blockquote data-quote="pshun2404" data-source="post: 71714549" data-attributes="member: 301030"><p>For evidence of their claims you can examine their works...go to the website and begin there. No one said anyone had said "homology" indicated lineage...I said shared genetic segments do not indicate lineage. Also it is incorrect to conclude Nested Hierarchies do any such thing (which are based on homology which you admit does NOT prove lineage).</p><p></p><p></p><p>Revell, Harmon, and Collar in Phylogenetic Signal, Evolutionary Process, and Rate (<a href="https://watermark.silverchair.com/api/watermark?token=AQECAHi208BE49Ooan9kkhW_Ercy7Dm3ZL_9Cf3qfKAc485ysgAAAeMwggHfBgkqhkiG9w0BBwagggHQMIIBzAIBADCCAcUGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAeBglghkgBZQMEAS4wEQQMEPrnxaCcb1fHA_8wAgEQgIIBlmPA8IEvZVFoGT_AzCLSu9izospGcFBtBdgQnL1Zi2xdPb5WA9bHA3oQlL2PPyDkkeE-B973sQkTByUBktI1BocKtBvQwPZF-YEvyTqbq7rYT2WXnBMB2KwUUdK9Gx64TLRCVFyf7xjI0yI05BLxb-o0_KvSVNFNwhth27mASTtCx4Kv7l2aIUg0o2vHgYnS4M3eDAz6-4FVbDqincr2MJ8fMP5dTzHft_0W4HcTxwnIAlXF3UQP-vpGp6iVmgnB1sMNvz3VGxV6kT3P8rzg7PovqwhvhIkuBveznB--fdecOtNQtnhWonKpax3ZLaLK9nw233n0A6ctfhwFSk7nLNc8Lbez7GJUkKJKtuXNi8V2oOWTswOmvaBtrdEq-TCa6fR8rQ-CcT6Whg-amXXk3cPhHrBnnjgeUw3Oa-PEf2_3TJq9SDzr2W-UdAVOhS1ZnX0Nym-tQW5BdyIgh3VKnWGduXM_nubUTXvAs_OUqP8GEWb0ulf4KLZvUWTFhuac1LSzF29lLc-xmoipfCELE910G3nQni4" target="_blank">https://watermark.silverchair.com/api/watermark?token=AQECAHi208BE49Ooan9kkhW_Ercy7Dm3ZL_9Cf3qfKAc485ysgAAAeMwggHfBgkqhkiG9w0BBwagggHQMIIBzAIBADCCAcUGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAeBglghkgBZQMEAS4wEQQMEPrnxaCcb1fHA_8wAgEQgIIBlmPA8IEvZVFoGT_AzCLSu9izospGcFBtBdgQnL1Zi2xdPb5WA9bHA3oQlL2PPyDkkeE-B973sQkTByUBktI1BocKtBvQwPZF-YEvyTqbq7rYT2WXnBMB2KwUUdK9Gx64TLRCVFyf7xjI0yI05BLxb-o0_KvSVNFNwhth27mASTtCx4Kv7l2aIUg0o2vHgYnS4M3eDAz6-4FVbDqincr2MJ8fMP5dTzHft_0W4HcTxwnIAlXF3UQP-vpGp6iVmgnB1sMNvz3VGxV6kT3P8rzg7PovqwhvhIkuBveznB--fdecOtNQtnhWonKpax3ZLaLK9nw233n0A6ctfhwFSk7nLNc8Lbez7GJUkKJKtuXNi8V2oOWTswOmvaBtrdEq-TCa6fR8rQ-CcT6Whg-amXXk3cPhHrBnnjgeUw3Oa-PEf2_3TJq9SDzr2W-UdAVOhS1ZnX0Nym-tQW5BdyIgh3VKnWGduXM_nubUTXvAs_OUqP8GEWb0ulf4KLZvUWTFhuac1LSzF29lLc-xmoipfCELE910G3nQni4</a> )</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Reveal that “<strong><em>Phylogenetic signal is a measure of the statistical dependence among</em></strong><em> species’ trait <strong>values </strong>due to their phylogenetic relationships. Although phylogenetic signal is <strong>a measure of pattern</strong> (statistical dependence), there has nonetheless been <strong>a widespread propensity</strong> in the literature <strong>to attribute this pattern to aspects of the evolutionary process or rate</strong>. This <strong>may be due</strong>, in part, <strong>to the perception</strong> that high evolutionary rate necessarily results in low phylogenetic signal; and, conversely, that low evolutionary rate or stabilizing selection results in high phylogenetic signal (due to the resulting high resemblance between related species).</em></p><p></p><p>So what is called “phylogenetic signal” is based on one’s statistical analysis where in one must attribute these patterns to the evolutionary process. The conclusions are due to one’s perception and in this application even among people who believe it is relevant to lineage they differ drastically among themselves (if it is a valuable as an actual indicator does the high cause the low or the low cause the high?).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pshun2404, post: 71714549, member: 301030"] For evidence of their claims you can examine their works...go to the website and begin there. No one said anyone had said "homology" indicated lineage...I said shared genetic segments do not indicate lineage. Also it is incorrect to conclude Nested Hierarchies do any such thing (which are based on homology which you admit does NOT prove lineage). Revell, Harmon, and Collar in Phylogenetic Signal, Evolutionary Process, and Rate ([URL]https://watermark.silverchair.com/api/watermark?token=AQECAHi208BE49Ooan9kkhW_Ercy7Dm3ZL_9Cf3qfKAc485ysgAAAeMwggHfBgkqhkiG9w0BBwagggHQMIIBzAIBADCCAcUGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAeBglghkgBZQMEAS4wEQQMEPrnxaCcb1fHA_8wAgEQgIIBlmPA8IEvZVFoGT_AzCLSu9izospGcFBtBdgQnL1Zi2xdPb5WA9bHA3oQlL2PPyDkkeE-B973sQkTByUBktI1BocKtBvQwPZF-YEvyTqbq7rYT2WXnBMB2KwUUdK9Gx64TLRCVFyf7xjI0yI05BLxb-o0_KvSVNFNwhth27mASTtCx4Kv7l2aIUg0o2vHgYnS4M3eDAz6-4FVbDqincr2MJ8fMP5dTzHft_0W4HcTxwnIAlXF3UQP-vpGp6iVmgnB1sMNvz3VGxV6kT3P8rzg7PovqwhvhIkuBveznB--fdecOtNQtnhWonKpax3ZLaLK9nw233n0A6ctfhwFSk7nLNc8Lbez7GJUkKJKtuXNi8V2oOWTswOmvaBtrdEq-TCa6fR8rQ-CcT6Whg-amXXk3cPhHrBnnjgeUw3Oa-PEf2_3TJq9SDzr2W-UdAVOhS1ZnX0Nym-tQW5BdyIgh3VKnWGduXM_nubUTXvAs_OUqP8GEWb0ulf4KLZvUWTFhuac1LSzF29lLc-xmoipfCELE910G3nQni4[/URL] ) Reveal that “[B][I]Phylogenetic signal is a measure of the statistical dependence among[/I][/B][I] species’ trait [B]values [/B]due to their phylogenetic relationships. Although phylogenetic signal is [B]a measure of pattern[/B] (statistical dependence), there has nonetheless been [B]a widespread propensity[/B] in the literature [B]to attribute this pattern to aspects of the evolutionary process or rate[/B]. This [B]may be due[/B], in part, [B]to the perception[/B] that high evolutionary rate necessarily results in low phylogenetic signal; and, conversely, that low evolutionary rate or stabilizing selection results in high phylogenetic signal (due to the resulting high resemblance between related species).[/I] So what is called “phylogenetic signal” is based on one’s statistical analysis where in one must attribute these patterns to the evolutionary process. The conclusions are due to one’s perception and in this application even among people who believe it is relevant to lineage they differ drastically among themselves (if it is a valuable as an actual indicator does the high cause the low or the low cause the high?). [/QUOTE]
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