DNA Code Indicates Creator

FrumiousBandersnatch · Jan 16, 2017

Vaccine said:
Of course they didn't say anything about origins. They merely established it is literally a language. Why is that so hard to admit?

You may have missed where I said in that post, "If some scientists think they can identify syntax and semantics that give it some family resemblance (in the Wittgensteinian sense) to languages in general, it is sufficiently different from any other language type to justify its own subdefinition, much as programming languages have."

The point is that, whatever particular linguistic features may have been identified, it is not like any human language, doesn't function like any human language, and isn't used like any human language; so it would be unwise to make any inferences about it based on knowledge of human languages.

dad · Jan 16, 2017

Radrook said:
The faith of Anglicans is founded in the Scriptures and the Gospels, the traditions of the Apostolic Church
Anglicanism - Wikipedia

Would that include the ones who embrace gay marriage?

dad · Jan 16, 2017

Radrook said:
Well, you are claiming membership in the Christian religion-correct?

I am a believer in Christ. By the way, which 'religion' should believers become part of, which denomination?

You don't say you are non-denominational.

I don't see that in the bible.

So that leads me to believe that you are in a denomination.

Think out of the box.

Radrook · Jan 16, 2017

Why DNA is important.
This article provides many compelling reasons why an ID is strongly indicated in DNA.

Is God Real?

Computer Code DNA Code

To grasp the amount of DNA information in one cell, "a live reading of that code at a rate of three letters per second would take thirty-one years, even if reading continued day and night."3
Francis S. Collins, director of the Human Genome Project, The Language of God, (Free Press, New York, NY), 2006, p 1.

Bungle_Bear · Jan 16, 2017

Radrook said:
Why DNA is important.
This article provides many compelling reasons why an ID is strongly indicated in DNA.

Is God Real?

Computer Code DNA Code

To grasp the amount of DNA information in one cell, "a live reading of that code at a rate of three letters per second would take thirty-one years, even if reading continued day and night."3
Francis S. Collins, director of the Human Genome Project, The Language of God, (Free Press, New York, NY), 2006, p 1.

It provides no compelling reasons to assume an ID, and your final paragraph is a simple argument from incredulity.

The article is flawed from the start: "a computer program is made up of a series of ones and zeros........In the same way, DNA is made up of four chemicals, abbreviated as letters A, T, G, and C."

"In the same way"? How is 4 chemicals the same as 2 numbers? Notice there is no explanation of what function the binary code performs. The binary code is a simple representation of on/off switches for electrical circuits. The chemicals in DNA are not simple on/off switches and do not perform the same function.

Radrook · Jan 16, 2017

Bungle_Bear said:
It provides no compelling reasons to assume an ID, and your final paragraph is a simple argument from incredulity.

The article is flawed from the start: "a computer program is made up of a series of ones and zeros........In the same way, DNA is made up of four chemicals, abbreviated as letters A, T, G, and C."

"In the same way"? How is 4 chemicals the same as 2 numbers? Notice there is no explanation of what function the binary code performs. The binary code is a simple representation of on/off switches for electrical circuits. The chemicals in DNA are not simple on/off switches and do not perform the same function.

These people disagree with you:

Dr. Francis Collins, director of the Human Genome Project (that mapped the human DNA structure) said that one can "think of DNA as an instructional script, a software program, sitting in the nucleus of the cell."5

Perry Marshall, an information specialist, comments on the implications of this. "There has never existed a computer program that wasn't designed...[whether it is] a code, or a program, or a message given through a language, there is always an intelligent mind behind it."6

(5) Ibid, p 102. (6) Perry Marshall, information engineer, cosmicfingerprints.com

dad · Jan 16, 2017

Radrook said:
Why DNA is important.
This article provides many compelling reasons why an ID is strongly indicated in DNA.

Is God Real?

Computer Code DNA Code

To grasp the amount of DNA information in one cell, "a live reading of that code at a rate of three letters per second would take thirty-one years, even if reading continued day and night."3
Francis S. Collins, director of the Human Genome Project, The Language of God, (Free Press, New York, NY), 2006, p 1.

How could anyone not see the hand and mind of God at work there?

Bungle_Bear · Jan 16, 2017

Radrook said:
These people disagree with you:

Dr. Francis Collins, director of the Human Genome Project (that mapped the human DNA structure) said that one can "think of DNA as an instructional script, a software program, sitting in the nucleus of the cell."5

Perry Marshall, an information specialist, comments on the implications of this. "There has never existed a computer program that wasn't designed...[whether it is] a code, or a program, or a message given through a language, there is always an intelligent mind behind it."6

(5) Ibid, p 102. (6) Perry Marshall, information engineer, cosmicfingerprints.com

You've got to love a bit of quote mining, haven't you? What Collins actually said was "As a first approximation, one can therefore think of DNA as an instructional script....." (emphasis mine)

So no, he doesn't disagree with me. And Marshall's statement is irrelevant.

Radrook · Jan 16, 2017

Bungle_Bear said:
You've got to love a bit of quote mining, haven't you? What Collins actually said was "As a first approximation, one can therefore think of DNA as an instructional script....." (emphasis mine)

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Tagging statements from authorities on the subject as irrelevant isn't a counterargument. It is a mere panic- motivated evasion. Your aversion to quotes from authority is understandable since they effectively expose exactly how your opinion stands with those who count. As for your rewriting of what was said, I see no reason why I should give more credence to your personal version or even to your preferred interpretation for that matter

Radrook · Jan 16, 2017

dad said:
How could anyone not see the hand and mind of God at work there?

I once had atheists tell me that they really saw but were making as if they didn't because they hated religion.

dad · Jan 16, 2017

Radrook said:
I once had atheists tell me that they really saw but were making as if they didn't because they hated religion.

Maybe their eyes get blinded, even if they once saw a little eventually.

Radrook · Jan 16, 2017

dad said:
Maybe their eyes get blinded, even if they once saw a little eventually.

Well, they were seeming to derive a certain perverse pleasure from denial of everything that was presented to them. One even stated that he was on a personal jihad against everything religious because he considered religion the bane of human society. So contradicting everything that was presented to him, regardless of its value, was his personal privilege and duty. Wasted a full six months of my time feigning that they couldn't understand and asking me to explain in more detail while they were snickering all along.

dad · Jan 16, 2017

Radrook said:
Well, they were seeming to derive a certain perverse pleasure from denial of everything that was presented to them. One even stated that he was on a personal jihad against everything religious because he considered religion the bane of human society. So contradicting everything that was presented to him, regardless of its value, was his personal privilege and duty. Wasted a full six months of my time feigning that they couldn't understand and asking me to explain in more detail while they were snickering all along.

Live and learn

Subduction Zone · Jan 16, 2017

Radrook said:
I once had atheists tell me that they really saw but were making as if they didn't because they hated religion.

Please, don't tell stories. No one believes such nonsense here.

You and I both know that you have no evidence to support your claims. But your attacking of atheists quite often includes breaking the 9th Commandment. Claims against others that you cannot support in any way is bearing false witness against your neighbor. That commandment is a ban on more than just lying.

Bungle_Bear · Jan 17, 2017

Radrook said:
Tagging statements from authorities on the subject as irrelevant isn't a counterargument.

You're right. But since the statement relied on a false interpretation of what Collins said to give it relevance I was correct to point out that Marshall's statement is irrelevant.

Your aversion to quotes from authority is understandable since they effectively expose exactly how your opinion stands with those who count.

I love quotes when they are given in context. My aversion is to quote mining.

As for your rewriting of what was said, I see no reason why I should give more credence to your personal version or even to your preferred interpretation for that matter

My personal version of what? Of Collins book? You take a quote out of context, I put it back into context and you accuse me of rewriting things for personal reasons?

Collins is not an expert in language and codes. He even goes so far as to use the word "approximation". Yet you claim a) he knows better than the experts and b) he's not claiming approximation, he's claiming exactitude.

Radrook · Jan 17, 2017

dad said:
Live and learn

Well, that's better than live and burn!

Jimmy D · Jan 17, 2017

Radrook said:
Why DNA is important.
This article provides many compelling reasons why an ID is strongly indicated in DNA.

Is God Real?

Computer Code DNA Code

To grasp the amount of DNA information in one cell, "a live reading of that code at a rate of three letters per second would take thirty-one years, even if reading continued day and night."3
Francis S. Collins, director of the Human Genome Project, The Language of God, (Free Press, New York, NY), 2006, p 1.

Wait, do you accept Francis Collins as an authority on the subject of ID?

Radrook · Jan 17, 2017

Jimmy D said:
Wait, do you accept Francis Collins as an authority on the subject of ID?

There is a clear relation between genetics and the DNA code that indicates an ID. His quotations are relevant to the thread theme.

Here is another quote in relation to DNA:

"It is humbling for me, and awe-inspiring to realize that we have caught the first glimpse of our own instruction book, previously known only to God."[23][24][25
Francis Collins - Wikipedia

Jimmy D · Jan 17, 2017

Radrook said:
There is a clear relation between genetics and the DNA code that indicates an ID. His quotations are relevant to the thread theme.

Here is another quote in relation to DNA:

"It is humbling for me, and awe-inspiring to realize that we have caught the first glimpse of our own instruction book, previously known only to God."[23][24][25
Francis Collins - Wikipedia

I've never come across such a mealy-mouthed poster, can you not answer a straightforward question?

We both know that Collins views ID and irreducible complexity as unscientific. I don't take issue with any of the quotes of his you've used, he's a Christian so obviously he has faith that his God had a hand in creation, he's also on record as saying that his involvment ended with the big bang, do you agree with that? Do you agree with him that common descent is true without any reasonable doubt?

Jimmy D · Jan 17, 2017

Radrook said:
There is a clear relation between genetics and the DNA code that indicates an ID. His quotations are relevant to the thread theme.

Here is another quote in relation to DNA:

"It is humbling for me, and awe-inspiring to realize that we have caught the first glimpse of our own instruction book, previously known only to God."[23][24][25
Francis Collins - Wikipedia

Can you not answer a straightforward question?

We both know that Collins views ID and irreducible complexity as unscientific. I don't take issue with any of the quotes of his you've used, he's a Christian so obviously he has faith that his God had a hand in creation, he's also on record as saying that his involvment ended with the big bang, do you agree with that? Do you agree with him that common descent is true without any reasonable doubt?

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