Divorce "exception clause"

[tall73]

Since this has been coming up in various threads intended for people to discuss issues personal to them, I created this thread to hash it out.

Matthew 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Some possible points for discussion:

a. What constitutes porneia? (translated fornication here).
- Does porn count?
- Does it refer only to discovery of sexual transgression prior to the marriage
- is it referring to physical adultery?

b. Does the phrasing prevent other reasons for divorce?

 

[JIMINZ]

Since this has been coming up in various threads intended for people to discuss issues personal to them, I created this thread to hash it out.

Matthew 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Some possible points for discussion:

a. What constitutes porneia? (translated fornication here).
- Does porn count?
- Does it refer only to discovery of sexual transgression prior to the marriage
- is it referring to physical adultery?

b. Does the phrasing prevent other reasons for divorce?

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Jesus said the ability to obtain a divorce was only added because of the hardness of the hearts of the people.

Mat 19:8
He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

In God's eyes divorce is never acceptable.

1) If you notice, only men were able to get a divorce, a woman could not put her husband away the way a man could put his wife away.

2) We are to forgive a wrong done against us, 70 x 7 meaning always.

 

[snoochface]

I don't think anything before marriage counts. I think it applies to anything considered as adultery or fornication in the Bible. Jesus says looking at another person with lust is the same as adultery, so I think porn would count.

However, I don't think Jesus meant this to be a "get out of marriage free" card. I think he was making it clear that divorce is NOT to be done lightly, but in the case of adultery (or an unbelieving spouse leaving - that's the other condition), it is permissible.

And then of course Paul says that all things are permissible, but not necessarily beneficial.

 

[JIMINZ]

I don't think anything before marriage counts. I think it applies to anything considered as adultery or fornication in the Bible. Jesus says looking at another person with lust is the same as adultery, so I think porn would count.

However, I don't think Jesus meant this to be a "get out of marriage free" card. I think he was making it clear that divorce is NOT to be done lightly, but in the case of adultery (or an unbelieving spouse leaving - that's the other condition), it is permissible.

And then of course Paul says that all things are permissible, but not necessarily beneficial.

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Paul was speaking to people who had become Christians after they had gotten married, remember, Christianity was the New Thing, and those who didn't believe might not like to be married to a believer.

1 Cor. 7:14,15
14) For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
15) But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

I think the idea is that we want to avoid divorce, but understanding we are no longer a sinless world, it’s going to happen and, if it is going to happen, the Bible lays out how to do it.

 

[faroukfarouk]

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Paul was speaking to people who had become Christians after they had gotten married, remember, Christianity was the New Thing, and those who didn't believe might not like to be married to a believer.

1 Cor. 7:14,15
14) For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
15) But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

Verse 15 does not seem to mention anything about remarriage.

 

[JIMINZ]

Verse 15 does not seem to mention anything about remarriage.

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What do you imagine the (departing) is referring to?

 

[faroukfarouk]

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What do you imagine the (departing) is referring to?

The unfaithful party is departing from, not the abandoned party marrying again.

 

[JIMINZ]

The unfaithful party is departing from, not the abandoned party marrying again.

The OP question was on divorce, not on remarrying

 

[faroukfarouk]

The OP question was on divorce, not on remarrying

Matthew 19.9, quoted in the OP, refers twice to remarrying.

 

[JIMINZ]

Matthew 19.9, quoted in the OP, refers twice to remarrying.

From the OP look down to ( B. ) at the bottom, that is what my response was in reference to.

Since this has been coming up in various threads intended for people to discuss issues personal to them, I created this thread to hash it out.

Matthew 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Some possible points for discussion:

a. What constitutes porneia? (translated fornication here).
- Does porn count?
- Does it refer only to discovery of sexual transgression prior to the marriage
- is it referring to physical adultery?

b. Does the phrasing prevent other reasons for divorce?

Now look at my post #2 to this thread.

 

[faroukfarouk]

From the OP look down to ( B. ) at the bottom, that is what my response was in reference to.

So did you want everyone to assume that remarrying in principle is Biblical?

 

[JIMINZ]

So did you want everyone to assume that remarrying in principle is Biblical?

I never said or inferred anything about Remarrying.

 

[faroukfarouk]

I never said or inferred anything about Remarrying.

Okay; the OP quoted Matthew 19.9 does, anyway; and what the verdict is.

 

[JIMINZ]

So did you want everyone to assume that remarrying in principle is Biblical?

You didn't read my post #2.

My belief is that Divorce is not a viable or acceptable outcome for a married couple, or something that people should engage in, just because the Law of the Land says we can.

 

[JIMINZ]

Some possible points for discussion:

a. What constitutes porneia? (translated fornication here).
- Does porn count?
- Does it refer only to discovery of sexual transgression prior to the marriage
- is it referring to physical adultery?

b. Does the phrasing prevent other reasons for divorce?

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A) Anything and everything outside of Marriage, is Fornication.
B) YES

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

Since the bible doesn't allow divorce at all. No.

 

[snoochface]

Since the bible doesn't allow divorce at all. No.

Except when Jesus said it would be allowed, you mean.

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

Except when Jesus said it would be allowed, you mean.

Except He never did.

 

[Dave-W]

Except He never did.

So you are saying our Lord taught against the Law of Moses?