Division of the ‘Week’

keras said:

It is assumed that you believe 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10 happens at the Return of Jesus?

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2Th 1:7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,


2Ti 4:1 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom:


2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.

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keras said:

BaB, Your constant repetition of, posting prophesies that relate to different times, without any explanation of what you believe or how they fit, is just an annoyance and leads people to scroll quickly past all your posts.

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Apparently I'm unpeople. So what's my (and all other unpeople's) moniker?

jgr said:

Apparently I'm unpeople. So what's my (and all other unpeople's) moniker?

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When I want to read Bible verses, I look at the Book, or often several Bibles to read what it says directly.
On the forums, we discuss these scriptures, so what BaB and others do by posting scriptures without any personal views on what is meant by them and as he has just done again in #21, annoyingly bolded and underlined; that is just a waste of time and space.

Do you understand what BaB believes in his posts without any comment?
It is provable that he quotes prophesies from 3 different events in #21.

Note this: Hebrews 10:12-13 Christ will not [physically] Return until His enemies are made His footstool. Psalms 110:1

keras said:

Note this: Hebrews 10:12-13 Christ will not [physically] Return until His enemies are made His footstool. Psalms 110:1

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He sat down at the right hand of the Father because His work is done.

Col 2:15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

We serve a victorious Savior, based on the verse above.


He was already both Lord and Savior on the Day of Pentecost.

Act 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."

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BABerean2 said:

We serve a victorious Savior, based on the verse above.
He was already both Lord and Savior on the Day of Pentecost.

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When did or does, this happen then:
Luke 12:49 I have come to set fire to the earth...….
Paralleled by Matthew 3:10-12, 1 Corinthians 3:9-15, Hebrews 10:26-27, 1 Peter 4:12, Revelation 14:18
Jesus does NOT come in fire at His Return, fire is never mentioned then and His enemies are far from being under His feet as yet.

keras said:

Jesus does NOT come in fire at His Return, fire is never mentioned then and His enemies are far from being under His feet as yet.

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Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.


Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.


2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.


All of the above show the fire coming at the Second Coming of Christ.
The fire comes from the Son, instead of from the sun.

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A reply with a mish-mash of scripture, is not a reply at all.
What about giving us your take on the sequence of the end times events. Supported by scripture, of course.

keras said:

Why are they wrong? Just your opinion.

Isaiah 13:13 is plain; the earth will be moved from her place. I believe this prophecy will be fulfilled by a strike upon the earth of a multi billion ton mass ejected from the sun. What the Lord will use on His Day of wrath against the nations.
The initial flash of this sun explosion, as described in Isaiah 30:26a will strike with a powerful Electro Magnetic Pulse at mid day ME time; Zephaniah 2:4, but the main mass, travelling at 3-5 million miles per hour, strikes 24 hours later and as the earth travels at 66,000 mph on its orbital track, it will be 1.5 million miles past the direct CME, so it will hit us with a glancing blow that will have the effect of pushing the earth, speeding up our year to 360 days.

This scenario is possible, logical and fits with all the prophesies. To reject it because Keras promotes it, or it doesn't suit you; is not sensible.

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This maybe some of the discussion. I hope this will be beneficial. There is biblical evidence for 360-day year. During the time of the flood Noah tells us that the 150-day started on the seventeenth day of the second month and ended on the seventeenth day of the seventh month (Genesis 7:11,24 and 8:3-4). 150 days divided by 30 days a month = 5 month. Daniel 7:25 speaks about the beast will be in power as lasting “a time and times and the dividing of time”. three-and-one-half years. 1260 days or 42 months. In Isaiah may or may not have been when it changed there are some history that says some of the calendars changed around this same time

Isaiah 38:5-8 (KJV)
5 Go, and say to Hezekiah, Thus saith the Lord, the God of David thy father, I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will add unto thy days fifteen years. 6 And I will deliver thee and this city out of the hand of the king of Assyria: and I will defend this city. 7 And this shall be a sign unto thee from the Lord, that the Lord will do this thing that he hath spoken; 8 Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down.

Isaiah records that the sun reversed itself ten degrees (steps) in the days of Hezekiah before it continued Isaiah 38:8. You can calculate working backwards by, we have now 5.2422 more days than a 360-day year. Now multiply extra days by 24 to get hours = (125.8128) and multiply the hours by 60 to get the minutes= (7548.768) then divide that by 360 to get the minutes per day= (20.9688). If the sun dial has 360 degrees if you divide that by 12 for daylight it is 30 degrees per hour. So, 10 degrees would be 1/3 = 20.9688 minutes the earth slowed giving us 5.2422 more days per year. The 24 hours a day did not change just the orbit of the earth around the sun slowed or the distance from the sun. If this was changed back the moon would have 30-day cycles and we would have 360-day years. Some think it will change before the end due to the 42 months and 1260 days in Revelations. I hope my math is still good. In light and love Rodron

Thanks Rodron.
The prophecy in Isaiah 13:13 is sufficient to tell us about a forthcoming change in our calendar. The anomaly of the three different time periods of Revelation; 1260 days, 42 months and 3 1/2 years, would be reconciled with a 360 day year.

keras said:

Thanks Rodron.
The prophecy in Isaiah 13:13 is sufficient to tell us about a forthcoming change in our calendar. The anomaly of the three different time periods of Revelation; 1260 days, 42 months and 3 1/2 years, would be reconciled with a 360 day year.

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Isa 13:13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.


The greatest earthquake in history occurs at the Second Coming of Christ found below.

Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

That earthqauke destroys the mountains and the islands.

Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, the whole planet will be destroyed and replaced by a New Heavens and a New Earth.

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BABerean2 said:

The greatest earthquake in history occurs at the Second Coming of Christ found below.

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Yes BaB, we know there will be another earthquake at Armageddon. And yet another when Gog/Magog attacks Beulah. Ezekiel 38:19 And another; probably tomorrow, somewhere on earth.
But actually, from the descriptions of the earth being shaken from her place, and the mountains and islands being shifted from their places, Revelation 6:14b; the great and terrible Day of the Lords wrath, the Sixth Seal event, will be tectonic plate movement and a probable pole reversal.

Wait for the Day!

Zephaniah 3:8 Wait for Me, says the Lord, wait for the Day when I stand up and accuse mankind. For I shall pour out My wrath upon nations and kingdoms, in My burning anger: the whole earth will be devastated by fire.

Zephaniah 1:14-18 The great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath is near and coming fast. That Day will be a Day of distress and torment, a Day of devastation amid thick darkness. A Day of thunder and destruction against military fortifications and cities. the Lord will bring terrible distress upon the people, they won’t know which way to turn as they are punished for their sins against Me. Their blood and guts will be spilled out like filth over the ground. Neither their treasure nor their idols will be able to save them on the sudden and shocking Day of the Lord’s fiery anger. All the Land will be burned and devastated. Ezekiel 20:46-48

Zephaniah 2:1-3 Prepare yourselves, you undesirable nation, be humble before you disappear like chaff, before the burning anger of the Lord comes upon you. Seek righteousness; seek humility, all you people in the Land who obey God’s Laws and it may be that you will find shelter on the Day of the Lord’s anger.

Zephaniah 2:4-7 Gaza will be deserted, Ashkelon left in ruins. At midday all the towns of the Mediterranean coast will be cleared of inhabitants, for the Word of God is against you – land of the Philistines. I shall lay you in ruins, no one will survive. The sea coast will become a sheep grazing area belonging to the survivors of Judah, for their God will turn to them and restore their fortunes. Isaiah 14-1, Ezekiel 36:1-37

Zephaniah 2:8-10 I have noted the insults of Moab and the Ammonites, how they have reviled My people and encroached on their frontiers. For this, I swear, they will become like Sodom and Gomorrah, a place of weeds and salt pans. Those of My people who survive will inherit their land. This is retribution for their pride, because they have insulted God’s people and taken over their Land. Jeremiah 12:14

Zephaniah 3:11-13 On that Day, Jerusalem, I shall rid you of your proud and arrogant citizens, but I will leave a remnant, a humble people who will trust in Me. The survivors in Israel will be righteous, under My protection. Isaiah 31:5

Zephaniah 3:19-20 When the time comes and I have dealt with your oppressors, then I shall rescue the lost and gather the dispersed and bring you all to your homeland. You will win respect and renown from the other nations when I restore your fortunes before your very eyes, It is I, the Lord, who speaks. Ref: REB. Some verses abridged.


Wait for the Day; the whole earth burned and devastated. The only known way how this could be literally fulfilled, is by a massive Coronal Mass Ejection, a fire judgement mentioned and described over 100 times in Bible prophecy. It will be the event that ‘comes like a thief’, unexpected and shocking. Revelation 6:12-17, Isaiah 30:26, Malachi 4:1

You undesirable nation – the Israelite people of God: now that is, every born again Christian. It will be that those who live righteously and humbly will ‘find shelter on the Day of the Lord’s anger.’ 2 Peter 2:9

Philistines and Moab and Ammon – Palestinians and Jordanians. Amos 1:6-8 & 13-14

leave a remnant in Jerusalem, under My protection – Isaiah 4:3, Zechariah 9:14-18

rescue the lost....bring you home – The great gathering of all the faithful Christian peoples, prophesied more than 40 times, to happen soon after this forthcoming, worldwide fire judgement. They will live in all of the promised Land, Isaiah 35:1-10, Ezekiel 34:11-16, under God’s protection and when the Anti Christ comes to Jerusalem, they are taken to a place of safety until the Return of Jesus.

keras said:

Wait for the Day!

Zephaniah 3:8 Wait for Me, says the Lord, wait for the Day when I stand up and accuse mankind. For I shall pour out My wrath upon nations and kingdoms, in My burning anger: the whole earth will be devastated by fire.

Zephaniah 1:14-18 The great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath is near and coming fast. That Day will be a Day of distress and torment, a Day of devastation amid thick darkness. A Day of thunder and destruction against military fortifications and cities. the Lord will bring terrible distress upon the people, they won’t know which way to turn as they are punished for their sins against Me. Their blood and guts will be spilled out like filth over the ground. Neither their treasure nor their idols will be able to save them on the sudden and shocking Day of the Lord’s fiery anger. All the Land will be burned and devastated. Ezekiel 20:46-48

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The Old Testament passages above agree with 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Peter 3:10-13, but you ignore those passages in an attempt to make your CME theory work.

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