Divine rain vs. meteorological precipitation

shernren said:

Fine by me - as long as you know where the Bible stops and your wild speculations begin.

Click to expand...

oldwiseguy said:

I accepted no creed.

. . .

Click to expand...

Willtor said:

Wild and anachronistic. oldwiseguy, the notion of a businessman is a pretty recent idea.

Click to expand...

Willtor said:

Yes you did. Otherwise, you couldn't have put the Christian icon next to your username.

Click to expand...

oldwiseguy said:

Well then, I guess I did. It didn't include evolution did it?

Click to expand...

oldwiseguy said:

How about the other part? About God's angry nature. Shall we get into that?

Click to expand...

-Mercury- said:

So when you read these verses...

"But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust." (Matthew 5:44-45, ESV)

...you just see that as just referring to God's agency in unnatural movements of the sun or unnatural weather patterns? To me, that passage seems to be saying that whenever the sun rises and rain falls, it is because of God.

Maybe the confusion is over the phrase "divine intervention". Do you think God needs to intervene in order to act? If so, who or what is responsible for sustaining nature and what naturally happens?

Click to expand...

Mallon said:

I recently read an excellent book entitled "Paradigms on Pilgrimage" (it's a critical look at the creationist perspective, written by both a palaeontologist and a pastor). One of the chapters in the book raises the issue of 'divine rain vs. meteorological precipitation.' The authors essentially question why there is no creationist movement working against modern meteorology, as it has come to explain the phenomenon of rain without an appeal to God (e.g. related to adiabatic, orographic, pressure effects, etc.). According to the Bible, however, rain is clearly brought forth only by God's doing (e.g. Gen 2:5; Lev 26:4; Deut 28:12; 1 Sam 12:18; Matt 5:45; etc.). I'm interested in knowing from the Creationists here if and why they have come to accept the scientific interpretation of rain, but not the scientific interpretation as to the diversity of life on earth. Why the double-standard?

Click to expand...