I was washing my families clothing the other day when I came across a piece of paper with a website written on it in my sons pants. The site name was black boot press after checking up on this site on my own p.c., I was shocked to discover that the merchandise being offered on this site stood against many of my families' christian beliefs. I thought that we had instilled these beliefs in our children, but obviously I have benn lax. After a long talk with my son, I discovered that he had been given the site address by a friend of his. After giving him a severe reprimand and grounding him from his computer, I phoned the parents of his friend to let them know about the filth he was a aprt of. What else can I do? How can I let this site know that they are offensive and nasty, how do we bring people such as these into the light of God? Please help me, am I being to harsh, or are there more measures that can be taken?
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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
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Emma's_Mom
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Well, while you may not want your son to view websites that deal in offensive satire and that sell t-shirts with foul words printed on them, you may want to discuss valid dissenting political viewpoints with him and what they mean and how his faith ties in with those viewpoints.
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I'm afraid that the only way to do that, is to convince people not to buy from them. No profit, no buisness. We have freedom of speech, and just as you don't want someone forbidding you from selling a bible, we can't forbid them selling these things. But, definately talk to your son about what is allowed and what is not. Did he go to the site? Did he look at the stuff there? Then it may have been more out of curiousity than out of defiance. I would use this as an opportunity to discuss our rights and liberties and how great of a responsibility they are. Discuss with him how a site like this is using that right to enrage people rather than to empower them to do right. I am sorry that this upset you so much and I completely understand, but does your son understand? Right now, that should be your main concern. How to show him that things like this do exist and show him how to resist what he sees. Show him how to stand up for what he believes in. Maybe help him design a logo that supports your family beliefs and that will lead to an opportunity to see how much you HAVE taught him.
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erin74
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I think that the attention you may draw to them by tryin to ban them is just the kind of advertising a site like that would want. For the site I would say ignore them and block it on your computer somehow. For your son - do you think he was actually interested in it, or was it his friend?? Is it the shock value, or does he feel that you are forcing christianity on him???
praying for him
Erin
praying for him
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In my son's school, each child is distributed with a lap top computer with wireless access to the internet. Each computer is equipped with a monitoring system that is suppose to filter out "bad" sites. But apparently the kids make it their mission to find a way around that and share info on the sites that they can access that bypasses the filter.
One day I felt heavily lead to check the history on my son's lap top and was stunned what I found. It was loaded with pornographic sites. I had a long talk with my son about the negative impact that will have on his mind. And when I called the school and ask how could this happen, they informed me that the kids are sharing these sites with each other. He told me there's not much they can do to keep up with the kids.
Even though we have a parental program on our computer, stuff gets through. I found this site xxxchurch.com that has a free accountability program that you can download to your computer. Whenever your computer accesses questionable material, the program will e-mail you a report every 30 days. That way, the parent stays informed and can readily discuss what the child is accessing.
One day I felt heavily lead to check the history on my son's lap top and was stunned what I found. It was loaded with pornographic sites. I had a long talk with my son about the negative impact that will have on his mind. And when I called the school and ask how could this happen, they informed me that the kids are sharing these sites with each other. He told me there's not much they can do to keep up with the kids.
Even though we have a parental program on our computer, stuff gets through. I found this site xxxchurch.com that has a free accountability program that you can download to your computer. Whenever your computer accesses questionable material, the program will e-mail you a report every 30 days. That way, the parent stays informed and can readily discuss what the child is accessing.
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To my embarrassment when logging in I realized I had spelled the word "soldier" incorrectly.
I appreciate all the help, and there were many fine suggestions to my plight. I believe that all is in hand at this time with my family, and you have been a great help. If we cannot let these people know how we feel(websites) because they may use it for publicity, then what can we do. With all due respect I believe that ignoring these sites has led to the moral decline in our schools that unfortunately many of us have had to deal with. What can be done though? I am at a loss, I want to tell these filth how I feel but do not want to be used as propaganda. I believe that ignoring them can lead to bigger issues.
I appreciate all the help, and there were many fine suggestions to my plight. I believe that all is in hand at this time with my family, and you have been a great help. If we cannot let these people know how we feel(websites) because they may use it for publicity, then what can we do. With all due respect I believe that ignoring these sites has led to the moral decline in our schools that unfortunately many of us have had to deal with. What can be done though? I am at a loss, I want to tell these filth how I feel but do not want to be used as propaganda. I believe that ignoring them can lead to bigger issues.
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I checked out the site and frankly have to agree with a lot of what they say. They want us to think and to have a problem with things like sweat shops, limited free speech (which by the way Christians are increasingly becoming victims of), and people spending unGODLY amount of money on dumb things like watches and then being preactically worshipped by celebraholics in our country. ANd I hardly think that Bobby Fischer is our biggest terrorist threat. I think we have to be careful not to judge how someone says something but what they're really saying.
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I understand what you are saying, but do you think that this is proper for a young person? I mean in the least it seems to be adult material. By the way which baby shirts, I did not see that section? I do respect your opinion, I just don't really agree.
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I didn't say it was appropriate for a young person but you are being naive if you think your kid isn't exposed to this anyway. Instead of making it so taboo, it is much better to talk rationally about it and what might be wrong. He is getting to the age where he must and WILL make decisions about these things regardless of how he was raised.
And the shirts I likes said "I don't care if your name is Santa, you're still a stranger" and "If you touch me again my Dad will break your fingers"
And the shirts I likes said "I don't care if your name is Santa, you're still a stranger" and "If you touch me again my Dad will break your fingers"
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Once again I know where you are coming from. But my children are still young and impressionable, so at the least I need to ofer them my guidance and this site is inappropriate for them. The shirts you speak of sound kinda cute actually, but just does not fit my style. Shouldn't there be an age restriction on these types of sites? That's what really burns me.
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Well like the one poster's school system said, kids will get around it. And internet-speaking there isn't an age restriction on words. You can impress upon your kids but you can't be assured that they will follow that. Also a hasty letter to this group will only be giving them what they want. They practically BEGGED people who disagree with them to write. I agree with the person who said that this group doesn't need further attention.
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" I felt heavily lead to check the history on my son's lap top and was stunned what I found"
This is about all you can do. PLEASE DO IT.. Check the history/logs on their PC's, use filters. You will not stop them any more than from taking a drink or smoking if they want to try it they will. You can only show your disaproval for rule breaking as you have done.
You now have an additional thing to track. Their FRIENDS (real) and now their VIRTUAL ones. Both can be good or bad. Know which your child has.
This is about all you can do. PLEASE DO IT.. Check the history/logs on their PC's, use filters. You will not stop them any more than from taking a drink or smoking if they want to try it they will. You can only show your disaproval for rule breaking as you have done.
You now have an additional thing to track. Their FRIENDS (real) and now their VIRTUAL ones. Both can be good or bad. Know which your child has.
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Check your son's closet to see if he actually owns any of these t-shirts... especially any found in the "offensive" category.
A lesson in "tolerance" may be in order, as this site seems to attack certain groups.
A lesson in "tolerance" may be in order, as this site seems to attack certain groups.
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Just to throw this out, and I may be wrong, but you are punishing your son because he has access to a web site that is bad? If your computer is hooked up to the internet, you too have access to a web site that is bad. Personally I'd use it as a time to talk about what you may come across.
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He broke the house rules regarding internet use, so he is being punished. And yes, I have taken the opportunity for some very enlightening and in the end positive conversation with my child.
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Oh, sorry. I was unaware of the house rules. I thought he just had a web address. See, that's what happens when I don't read all the post. 
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ok first did your son go to the site??? if not why so severe? you never said he went there just had the web address.
second.... there were a few shirts that were funny and true.... maybe if you hugged your child they wouldnt need medication
and stop staring at my mom.. sure she is a hottie but she is my mom....
busted up laughing...
second.... there were a few shirts that were funny and true.... maybe if you hugged your child they wouldnt need medication
and stop staring at my mom.. sure she is a hottie but she is my mom....
busted up laughing...
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Yes he did go there, and some of the shirts may be funny, but he is only 12 and he did break the rules. It may be a bit severe, but that site is not appropriate for a 12 year old in my opinion.
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