disturbing question, misunderstanding Atheism.

[yyttr2]

I live in the bible belt, and most of my peer's talk about Atheists like they are heathens.
I of course am not a heathen and get in far less trouble than most of them, but that doesn't matter.

I was having a argument with one of my friends who is a theist.
I was taking the opposing side and he, the defendant to the theory of creationism.
I then proceeded in giving him real life examples of evolution that he could see,observe,and compare.
He did not get how it was evolution, so i asked him to explain evolution.
He could not....

I asked all my other theist peer's....

They could not....

How can you ever understand what a belief is unless you understand the principles behind it?
I get Christianity, iv went to many churches, i go every week for insight into other religions.
This is just one example of things people were i live do not understand...
the term Atheism is highly perverted here.

Please,all theist's, without using internet sources explain the term evolution.

I think that there is very little understanding on the term Atheism were i live...and I won't to make sure it is not everywhere.

 

[70x7]

evolution itself means change. Pretty simple.
The Theory of Evolution is what is in question (via natural selection). Generally used notion to explain how man came from monkeys and sometime before that, from non-liveable soup.

I also find it quite ironic how many non-christians also seem to think they know everything about christianity as well.

 

[Tenka]

I also find it quite ironic how many non-christians also seem to think they know everything about christianity as well.

The difference being that there is an agreed upon description of what the theory of evolution is that you clearly haven't got but every single Christian has a different idea about what being a Christian means.

 

[yyttr2]

The difference being that there is an agreed upon description of what the theory of evolution is that you clearly haven't got but every single Christian has a different idea about what being a Christian means.

Bravo.

evolution itself means change. Pretty simple.
The Theory of Evolution is what is in question (via natural selection). Generally used notion to explain how man came from monkeys and sometime before that, from non-liveable soup.

This is the exact example i gave to my peer's.

Fire ants are being introduced into America, Fence lizards were very suseptable to the fire ants, 12 fire ants could kill a fence lizard in a few minutes.
Fence lizard's who were not killed, were ether very lucky,more skillful, or had trait's that allowed them to escape the fire ants better (such as longer hind legs).
knowing that you more than likely learned about the punnet square and heredity in junior high, you should know the consequence of this.
More fence lizards with long hind legs!
which is allows them to escape the fire ants better!


Organisms adapting and changing to better fit there environment.

What I stated about the fence lizards did happen, its real.
So why don't people believe in evolution?

 

[Inviolable]

I live in the bible belt, and most of my peer's talk about Atheists like they are heathens.
I of course am not a heathen and get in far less trouble than most of them, but that doesn't matter.

I was having a argument with one of my friends who is a theist.
I was taking the opposing side and he, the defendant to the theory of creationism.
I then proceeded in giving him real life examples of evolution that he could see,observe,and compare.
He did not get how it was evolution, so i asked him to explain evolution.
He could not....

I asked all my other theist peer's....

They could not....

How can you ever understand what a belief is unless you understand the principles behind it?
I get Christianity, iv went to many churches, i go every week for insight into other religions.
This is just one example of things people were i live do not understand...
the term Atheism is highly perverted here.

Please,all theist's, without using internet sources explain the term evolution.

I think that there is very little understanding on the term Atheism were i live...and I won't to make sure it is not everywhere.

I can explain natural selection,
Or at least get close to it.
Say a armadillo at one time lived in the cold and needed fur. Well over time the armadillo's environment changed and as the environment changed so did the armadillo. Where once it was cold and snowy, now it's warm and sandy and as a result the armadillo went from needing fur to not needing fur.
Not that an armadillo actually needed fur at one time, but I'm sure you get my meaning.

How'd I do?

 

[Inviolable]

The difference being that there is an agreed upon description of what the theory of evolution is that you clearly haven't got but every single Christian has a different idea about what being a Christian means.

That's not true.

Plenty of scientist in and off the field argue or debate about what happened.
It happens all the time when new evidence is found.

 

[Avatar]

You are aware that most Christians accept the theory of evolution, right?

Or are you?

 

[yyttr2]

You are aware that most Christians accept the theory of evolution, right?

Or are you?

I have seen little evidence for it...most Christians I have meet refute the theory.

 

[Legion.As.One]

All the christians I know believe in evolution, its a bit crazy not to... with all the evidence

 

[yyttr2]

I live in the bible belt...sooo...that might be the problem I am having.
I am talking to an entirely different sect Christians i guess...
give me a hug now I am a little bit happier

 

[Justaman0000]

first of all evolution doesnt' explain the creation of the universe. Thats probably what most christians don't understand. and correct me if i'm wrong but i was taught that evolution shows one species turn into another. Thats far from adaptation. In which one species adapts for survival. If men came from monkeys then there wouldn't be any monkeys left.

 

[yyttr2]

If men came from monkeys then there wouldn't be any monkeys left.

think of two islands, both have fence lizards, the only variation between islands is one has fire-ants, one does not.
the lizards on the fire and island will adapt to survive the fire ants.
the other lizards will not.

i was taught that evolution shows one species turn into another

Over time yes. those fence lizards adapted to there environment by getting larger hind legs. now over a long time, the environment is going to change a lot, so there will be a lot of changes in that species or it will be wiped out.
so..we have a new species. different from what we originally started out with.

adaptation correlates with evolution.

imagine humans started hunting those fence lizards for food.
there population would dwindle even more, and only the smallest and most agile would survive.
therefor forcing the species to grow smaller to survive.
so after a long time we have fence lizards (original) and small, long hind legged lizards.
not a very good example but i got it from ocean fish who are adapting to our fishing methods and becoming smaller... I just like the lizards

 

[Justaman0000]

think of two islands, both have fence lizards, the only variation between islands is one has fire-ants, one does not.
the lizards on the fire and island will adapt to survive the fire ants.
the other lizards will not.

but they will remain the same species able to interbreed.

Over time yes. those fence lizards adapted to there environment by getting larger hind legs. now over a long time, the environment is going to change a lot, so there will be a lot of changes in that species or it will be wiped out.
so..we have a new species. different from what we originally started out with.

adaptation correlates with evolution.

Can one species change so much that it can't interbreed with its own? We see all different kinds of dogs but they can all be interbreed.

 

[yyttr2]

but they will remain the same species able to interbreed.

Indeed, if one fence lizard from one island mated with one from the other they would have a cross breed.
just like different types of dogs as you said.
but the more changes you get the farther this goes.
a tiger and a lion can mate to form a liger.
but the tiger,lion, and liger and all considered a different species.
and higher variations will make it impossible to mate.

a short legged human can mate with a log legged human and still produce a human.
A monkey and a human...well..that is unknown to me...

Can one species change so much that it can't interbreed with its own? We see all different kinds of dogs but they can all be interbreed.

Indeed they can.
A dog can mate with another type of dog and produce a mix breed, but i doubt a dog can mate with a Racoon dog (part of the canidae family).

 

[Legion.As.One]

Humans don't have the variation of animals,
our evolution isn't determined by our envinronment because we can move
Humans will evolve from other things, thing they bring upon themselves...
like mobile phone radio-waves? or something

 

[yyttr2]

well... at our current state, I am not sure what would catalyze our evolution.
We would not be growing smarter, because in our environment there is no need to be smarter than we already are. you will not die from being stupid, unless your just an idiot. and idiots seem to mate more than intelligent people do lol!

 

[Justaman0000]

Indeed, if one fence lizard from one island mated with one from the other they would have a cross breed.
just like different types of dogs as you said.
but the more changes you get the farther this goes.
a tiger and a lion can mate to form a liger.
but the tiger,lion, and liger and all considered a different species.
and higher variations will make it impossible to mate.

They may be considered a different species but they are all part of the felidae family. The tiger is like the lion of asia. If they are able to interbreed they are of the same species, but they may not be of the same kind.

A dog can mate with another type of dog and produce a mix breed, but i doubt a dog can mate with a Racoon dog (part of the canidae family).

If they are of the same species then they should be able to interbreed.

 

[yyttr2]

If they are of the same species then they should be able to interbreed.

no

The Raccoon Dog is a member of the canid family but is not a true dog. It is called a raccoon dog because it bears a superficial resemblance to a raccoon. It is a basal genus of Canidae, meaning it branched off into it's own adorable subgroup earlier than others.

They may be considered a different species but they are all part of the felidae family. The tiger is like the lion of asia. If they are able to interbreed they are of the same species, but they may not be of the same kind.

A ring tailed mongoose cannot mate with a fossa, thou they are both part of the Eupleridae family.
My point is. over time with to many variations it becomes impossible to mate.

 

[threepeaches]

evolution itself means change. Pretty simple.
The Theory of Evolution is what is in question (via natural selection). Generally used notion to explain how man came from monkeys and sometime before that, from non-liveable soup.

I also find it quite ironic how many non-christians also seem to think they know everything about christianity as well.

Can't....go...on...
Irony....too....ridiculous....



The first response is EXACTLY what the poster was talking about. Too funny.

I'm an agnostic, I guess. I grew up going to Church, I have read the Bible, I still reference it from time to time (along with other religious texts), and I live a pretty moral life. And I get told I am a sinner and an idiot and brainwashed by science and the media by the VERY SAME people that tell me that "Evolution means man comes from monkeys."



No. It doesn't. You need to read more.

That's what I say.
And it applies to both sides most of the time.

 

[threepeaches]

You are aware that most Christians accept the theory of evolution, right?

Or are you?

...keep in mind some of us are from states like Idaho. namely, me.