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Dispy delusions - how many gospels?

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Hebrews 3
16For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.

17But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
18And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief. Hebrews 4 1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2For unto us (Christians, Jews inwardly) was the gospel preached, as well as unto them (Jews outwardly): but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
 

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Soon Rev 22:11-12 said:
Hebrews 3
16For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.

17But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
18And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief. Hebrews 4 1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2For unto us (Christians, Jews inwardly) was the gospel preached, as well as unto them (Jews outwardly): but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
Hebrews was written to whom? The text TELLS us who. To Hebrews. The ONLY Place you will find instructions to the Body of Christ is in Pauls epistles. The rest of the book is JEWISH, and written to a NATION.

Can we LEARN from it? Certainly, scripture tells us we can learn from it. But is it for OUR OBEDIENCE? NOPE. OUR mail is not found in Israels letters, but in the letters penned FOR us and TO us by Gods appointed spokesman to the Body of Christ.

You might want to do some study on this. Its fascinating. There is a MYSTERY that was kept HID IN GOD, and a SECRET until God revealed it to Paul.

Have YOU heard?
 
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Does your gospel reject Jesus as our high priest in the New Covenant sanctuary in heaven for Christians?

Matt 26
28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

Luke 22
20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

1 Cor 11
23 For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, "This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me." 25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me." 26 For whenever you (Gentile Corinthians) eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.

Heb 8
13 By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

Heb 9
15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

Heb 10
20 by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, his body, 21 and since we have a great priest over the house of God, 22 let us draw near to God with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water.

2 Cor 3
6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Rev 11
19 Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant.
 
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#1. Its NOT "my" gospel. Its Gods. And He gave it to Paul for you and I today.

#2. Hes not my High Priest. Hes my HEAD, as I am a member of His body, which is the church today. Israel was a nation of Priests. And you are still in Hebrews..,...NOT where YOUR instructions are located, my friend.
 
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neither is Revelation:
Soon Rev 22:11-12 said:
Does your gospel reject Jesus as our high priest in the New Covenant sanctuary in heaven for Christians?

...

1 Cor 11
23 For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, "This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me." 25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me." 26 For whenever you (Gentile Corinthians) eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.

...

2 Cor 3
6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Rev 11
19 Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant.
 
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Before you begin slinging words such as "delusions", you might want to re study your bible for the instructions given to YOU, instead of trying to do what even the Jews couldnt do with the law.

That program is no longer on the table...hasnt been for over two thousand years. READ updated material in Romans thru Philemon.
 
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No...actually words DO mean something. "THE" new covenant had to do with the nation of Israel and a marriage agreement between God and that nation.

We arent under any covenant today...but under the dispensation of the GRACE of God.
 
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eph3Nine said:
... You are deliberately ignoring Gods final revelation to mankind ...
Revelation 10
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

If the church is "raptured" in a pre-trib rapture (supposedly in Rev. 4:1) years before the 2nd coming of Christ (they aren't), how is it that the (supposed) believing Jews in the tribulation have the same gospel in Revelation 10 that "the church" had before the tribulation?
 
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Sorry...not playing your game. ....
Who's "game" are you not playing?

Here is your game:

"A new covenant, isnt the same as THE new covenant"

Any reader can see who is playing a game.

Do you believe there are TWO new covenants? Did Christ die TWICE?

Paul wrote, "For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth." Hebrews 9:16, 17. The word "testament" is the same as the word "covenant." Only after a man's last will and testament has been ratified by his death can the provisions be executed. In the same way, Christ's covenant or testament would begin to operate just as soon as He had confirmed the covenant by His death at Calvary.
Another text leaves no question on this issue: "Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto." Galatians 3:15. Paul is saying here that after a man's death, his will or covenant cannot be changed. Not one new addition can be made after the death of the testator. The covenant stands forever exactly as it stood when the testator died. After the death of Christ, no change whatsoever could be made in His provisions to save mankind. The conditions were all sealed and ratified by the shedding of blood. Every requirement had been laid down clearly by the perfect pattern of His sinless life and provision had been made for the writing of His magnified law, by the Holy Spirit, upon the mind of each believer.
 
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Ishmael and Isaac Represent Two Covenants (the ONE old covenant and the ONE new covenant)

Many have been confused over the allegory Paul used to illustrate the Old and New Covenants. Here is the way he wrote about it: "For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a free-woman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children." Galatians 4:22-25.

Paul portrays Isaac and Ishmael, the two sons of Abraham, as representing the Old and New Covenants. He plainly shows that Hagar's son, Ishmael, symbolizes the Old Covenant, and Sarah's son, Isaac, is a type of the New Covenant. "Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. ... So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free." Verses 28-31.

This is interesting. How do those sons of those two women represent the two covenants? God had promised Abraham a son by his wife Sarah, but because she was almost 90 years old, neither of them believed such a thing could happen. Sarah knew that her womb was dead and that she was long past the age for bearing children. So she suggested that her husband take Hagar, her handmaid, and have a child by her. It seemed the only way to rescue God from an impossible promise. In time, Abraham yielded to the face-saving device and had a child by Hagar.

Here is an exact illustration of the Old Covenant principle of "we will do." Abraham tried to work it out in the flesh, according to human effort and planning. The old arrangement failed just as surely as the Old Covenant promises failed, because there was no dependence on divine power. God did not ever recognize Ishmael as the promised seed.

When Isaac was born, it was a miracle. God actually created a new life out of a biologically barren womb. The physical impossibilities yielded to the supernatural, creative power of God. Isaac perfectly represents the principle of the New Covenant relationship based upon regeneration, a new-birth experience, which begets the life of the Son of God in all who believe. The natural, physical womb of Sarah was totally incapable of producing any fruit. In the same way, the natural, carnal body and mind of a sinner cannot bring forth the fruit of obedience. When God used His power to create a new life within Sarah, the impossible happened, and she bore a son. When God uses His power to create new life in the soul, the impossible happens again - a human being becomes spiritual and obedient.

Isaac was not "born after the flesh," but "after the Spirit." Galatians 4:29. Because man is carnal and "weak in the flesh," he has no power to attain to the righteousness of the law. He, too, must be born after the Spirit. Every attempt to obey on the Old-Covenant basis of human effort will produce only children of bondage. The law must be written into the heart by the Holy Spirit and fulfilled by "Christ in you."

This allegory of Hagar and Sarah clears up another very important point of truth. Those who are under the Old Covenant are the commandment breakers, and those under the New Covenant are the commandment keepers. It was only when Abraham disobeyed God by taking Hagar that he fulfilled the principle of the Old Covenant. When he trusted God to give him a son through Sarah, he was being obedient to God's will, and properly represents the New-Covenant Christians. Yet how often do modern interpreters get these facts confused! They accuse law-keepers of being under the Old Covenant. The truth is exactly the opposite. The law is not really kept until it is written on the heart of the transformed believer. Then it becomes the mark of identification - the love symbol - for those who are born of the Spirit. Jesus said, "If ye love me, keep my commandments." John 14:15. John wrote, "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments." 1 John 5:3.
 
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Soon Rev 22:11-12 said:
Revelation 10
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

If the church is "raptured" in a pre-trib rapture (supposedly in Rev. 4:1) years before the 2nd coming of Christ (they aren't), how is it that the (supposed) believing Jews in the tribulation have the same gospel in Revelation 10 that "the church" had before the tribulation?

Thats easy...they dont have the same gospel. The placement in revelation tells us that this is to the KINGDOM church, the nation Israel, in the resumption of their former program. the church is raptured WAAAAAY before Rev. chapter 4.

This is a good example of the confusion that results from NOT rightly dividing the Word of Truth.

Mixing the programs of God and putting yourself in Israels program is NOT rightly dividing as we are told to do in 2 Tim 2:15
 
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Read the context. Covenant, as in THE new covenant , has to do with the OLD covenant made with Israel. The NEW one will be made with the same folks.

Pauls new information was the MYSTERY that scripture refers to over and over.
 
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eph3Nine said:
Thats easy...they dont have the same gospel. The placement in revelation tells us that this is to the KINGDOM church, the nation Israel, in the resumption of their former program. the church is raptured WAAAAAY before Rev. chapter 4.
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This is a good example of the confusion that results from NOT rightly dividing the Word of Truth.

Mixing the programs of God and putting yourself in Israels program is NOT rightly dividing as we are told to do in 2 Tim 2:15

I think that the confusion is your's, EPH3. "Soon" has caught you in an obvious error.

Rev 10:7 is pointing out that the mystery of God, which according to you is only for the Church will not be finished until the 10th chapter. How did you put it? Oh yeah, waaaaay after the church has been raptured out in chapter four. If this is the kingdom church then the mystery of God applies to them also.

Don't you say that the mystery truths are only for the church, the body of Christ?

Then how can the mystery of God be finishing waaaay after the church is supposedly raptured out of here?

GLJCA
 
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