Discovery Bible Study 1 (Genesis 1:1-25)

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Why don't we should focus exclusively on Genesis 1:1-5 (day 1 or Sunday in the Biblical week). It's interesting that @dlamberth sees a connection between the light created on day 1, and Sunday is also the day that Jesus was resurrected in the gospels.

It seems we should start by defining some of the various things mentioned?
- "the beginning" (of this phase of creation or the beginning of the universe?)
- "God" (should we assume a monotheistic benevolent god?)
- "the heavens" (why is this plural?)
- "the earth"
- "darkness"
- "the deep"
- "the waters" (not necessarily the same thing as "the deep")
- "light"
- "good"
 
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There is an even more basic question. For this Bible study we are supposed to ignore context and commentaries and focus on the text as though it is divinely inspired. However are we supposed to assume that the text is describing historical events in the physical world? Jesus spoke in parables, so can we allow for the possibility that God inspired the author to write something other than a history of the physical world?
 
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Well, it common to say, "I don,t get it, I,m in the dark."
or,
"nobody told me, I have been left in the dark."

and so on,

in the pitch of the night or the middle of the day we can be enlightened.

Thinking here, "Let there be understanding."
or,
"Let there be an awakening."

Of course there has to be something to wake up and something to gain understanding.

But, there was nothing, not yet at anyrate.

I have taken it for granted that it was thoughts.

The socalled, "first creation".

Mind you, you notice that in the continueing verses it is not "God" but the Lord God,

Lord of hosts, heavenly hosts.

Infinite wisdom.

But we were supposed to stick with a certain number of verses, bit like watching the first five minutes of a film and then telling others about the director.
 
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Maybe it is like an artist staring at a blank canvas for a long time and then suddenly - "eureka" - a light bulb turns-on in the artist's mind and the process of painting can finally begin.

Or maybe a sculptor is a better analogy than a painter. One sculptor (was it Michelangelo?) claimed that creating a sculpture required the artist to first discover the artwork concealed inside the stone and then it became a simple matter of removing the excess to uncover what was already there. This sounds like dividing the light from the darkness.
 
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great to hear a perspective from Judaism. thanks for your thoughts and welcome to the group, I see some have already begun to comment on it. I encourage you to read over the study and answer the questions in post #2, it would be great to hear some of your other thoughts about the rest of the passage.

I'll post a new study on friday so if you wait it out you may find you're able to add more input as we go along.
 
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Question 1,
What does this story tell me about God?

Well, there is a force, a power of goodness and kindness,
Question 2,
What does this story tell me about people?

Though not mentioned as such, so far,
Could be the table has to be laid first,
before the guests arrive.

Question 3,
What changes.........?

It is best to follow the instructions.
 
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Question 1,
What does this story tell me about God?

Well, there is a force, a power of goodness and kindness,
I can see God as a power of goodness, because God says "let there be light" and God labels light as "good", but it seems that kindness is going too far at this stage IMO. Kindness probably implies helping a creature in need, and I don't see God doing that yet unless I am missing it.
 
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Will say I find this exercise too difficult unless one is a newcomer into this world, and has not experienced anything yet.

Afterall, we all have our story.
 
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Will say I find this exercise too difficult unless one is a newcomer into this world, and has not experienced anything yet.

Afterall, we all have our story.

Though one can do a good deed but it does not have to be out of goodness, it may even be a "What,s in it for me?"

Which is why I stick with "Goodness and kindness" line.

They go hand in hand, would say,

In the NT it tells of an unrighteous judge, he did not care about God or people, but a widow came to him and demanded her right,

and she kept on and on and on, so in the end the unrighteous judge gave her, saying, "If I do not give her what she wants she will drive me crazy."

Hardly goodness and kindness.
 
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(I deleted my original post, because it wasn't on-topic.)

I guess if the light that God created was a good thing that would eventually benefit created beings then it would be an act of kindness too.
 
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I'm chucking a little because I know I'm the odd person here. But here goes. We're talking about very spiritual stuff here that I think loses a lot of depth of Wisdom when taken literally.

In Genesis, God said "Let there be Light". Scripture does not say "Let there be Darkness". But in the very act of turning on any Light, there are shadows created. We don't see the shadows until there is also the Light. Sitting in the Light of God there is daylight of Wisdom, Understanding, Truth, Life, Creation and I'd say even Unity with God for some. But when sitting in the darkness/night, it's a different world. All of that fades away. A Duality is created simply by turning on the Light. This Duality of the Light of God and the Darkness than became inherent within the Creation process with a kind of spiritual day and night being experienced.

I apologize that I may be slow to respond, I'm in a week long Spiritual retreat and interestingly have been sidetrack during the retreat contemplating the wonderful question that DamianWars2 asked. Maybe getting this out there will release me to from this contemplation, which I haven't mind really.
 
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The use of the word "chochmah" above sounds different from "wisdom". I normally understand "wisdom" to be the ability to make choices that are more likely to yield the desired result (especially when past experience informs the choice), but that doesn't sound like how you are using the word.

Also it is difficult for me to make a distinction between "understanding" and "knowledge" ("binah" and "daat"). Is "understanding" the process of understanding an experience, and is "knowledge" the final form of that understanding?
 
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Conceptual wisdom, If I try to plane a piece of wood against the grain, I would rip up the wood, the concept
ok, why?
Why would I rip up the wood by trying to plane against
the grain,
It is abstract until I understand, why.

Then it becomes knowledge.

Understanding an experience?

I do not believe in coincidence or that things just happen,
but that does not mean I will ever be able to know why
they happen, at least not at the time and maybe not until long after, if at all.

Which is good,
 
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I do not believe in coincidence or that things just happen,
but that does not mean I will ever be able to know why
they happen, at least not at the time and maybe not until long after, if at all.

Which is good,

That comment got me thinking about the Creation story in Genesis 1. If nothing happens by coincidence what is implied about God's process of Creation? We humans feel like we are making choices of our own freewill. Scientists also cannot predict the behavior of the physical world beyond certain generalities (at least that is how I understand quantum mechanics).
(1) Does God know the choices humans feel they are making of their own freewill, and does God know the behavior of the physical world so that God knows how the quantum dice will land beforehand? In that case, God knows the entire story of the created universe from beginning to end in full detail. God did not merely create the beginning of the story - he created the entire story and every seemingly inconsequential twist and turn. ... So maybe Genesis 1 is describing the ENTIRE story of the universe rather than simply the beginning? Maybe we are living in day 2 rather than after day 7?
(2) If God doesn't know the choices of the universe beforehand, then maybe God must REACT to the universe to keep the story flowing according to his purpose. In that case God went back to work after resting on day 7, and he is creating purpose in response to our purposeless blundering.
 
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just an update, Study 2 has started. feel free to continue to discuss here, if you've concluded this study don't forget about the 4th question "Who am I going to tell?". You can get a group of people together and do this exact study with them. Just follow the questions and stick to the text and see what great things you can discover from these passages. It's really simple to do and you don't have to subscribe to any faith to be a part of it so all are welcome.
 
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Will have to take a read later,
started reading but not long ago woken up,

so will have to get my bearings,new day, new adventures and so on.
 
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Will have to take a read later,
started reading but not long ago woken up,

so will have to get my bearings,new day, new adventures and so on.

Well, read it, pretty heavy stuff, got lost a few times,
but it was a lot in one go.
 
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