discernment vs judgment

[lilmissmontana]

1 Corinthians 2:15
wisdom is God's gift

But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

Matthew 7:1
judge not

Judge not, that ye be judged.

Prompted to post this thread. Let's talk

The definition of judgement I gave my kids growing up was this: Judgement is when you put a therefore on the discernment.

 

[lilmissmontana]

New International Version (©1984)
The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one.

International Standard Version (©2008)
The spiritual person evaluates everything but is subject to no one else's evaluation.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Spiritual people evaluate everything but are subject to no one's evaluation.

King James Bible
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

American King James Version
But he that is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

American Standard Version
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, and he himself is judged of no man.

Bible in Basic English
But he who has the Spirit, though judging all things, is himself judged by no one.

Douay-Rheims Bible
But the spiritual man judgeth all things; and he himself is judged of no man.

Darby Bible Translation
but the spiritual discerns all things, and he is discerned of no one.

English Revised Version
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, and he himself is judged of no man.

Webster's Bible Translation
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged by no man.

Weymouth New Testament
But the spiritual man judges of everything, although he is himself judged by no one.

World English Bible
But he who is spiritual discerns all things, and he himself is judged by no one.

Young's Literal Translation
and he who is spiritual, doth discern indeed all things, and he himself is by no one discerned;

Geneva Study Bible
{14} But he that is spiritual {r} judgeth all things, yet {15} he himself is judged of {s} no man.
(14) He amplifies the matter by opposites.
(r) Understands and discerns.
(15) The wisdom of the flesh, Paul says, determines nothing certainly, no not in its own affairs, much less can it discern strange, that is, spiritual things. But the Spirit of God, with which spiritual men are endued, can by no means be deceived, and therefore be reproved by any man.
(s) Of no man: for when the prophets are judged of the prophets, it is the Spirit that judges, and not the man.

People's New Testament
2:15 He that is spiritual. He who lives the spiritual life.
Judgeth all things. Examineth, in the margin of the Revised Version. The spiritual man, helped by the indwelling Spirit, is prepared to study the deeper truths of the Spirit.
Yet he himself is judged of no man. None who are not spiritual are able to sit in judgment upon his higher life. He is on a higher level, and the animal man, from his lower level, cannot well estimate him.

Wesley's Notes
2:15 But the spiritual man - He that hath the Spirit. Discerneth all the things of God whereof we have been speaking. Yet he himself is discerned by no man - No natural men. They neither understand what he is, nor what he says.

King James Translators' Notes
judgeth: or, discerneth
judged: or, discerned

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
15. He that is spiritual-literally, "the spiritual (man)." In 1Co 2:14, it is "A [not 'the,' as English Version] natural man." The spiritual is the man distinguished above his fellow men, as he in whom the Spirit rules. In the unregenerate, the spirit which ought to be the organ of the Holy Spirit (and which is so in the regenerate), is overridden by the animal soul, and is in abeyance, so that such a one is never called "spiritual."
judgeth all things-and persons, by their true standard (compare 1Co 6:2-4; 1Jo 4:1), in so far as he is spiritual. "Discerneth . is discerned," would better accord with the translation of the same Greek (1Co 2:14). Otherwise for "discerned," in 1Co 2:14, translate, "judged of," to accord with the translation, "judgeth . is judged" in this fifteenth verse. He has a practical insight into the verities of the Gospel, though he is not infallible on all theoretical points. If an individual may have the Spirit without being infallible, why may not the Church have the Spirit, and yet not be infallible (a refutation of the plea of Rome for the Church's infallibility, from Mt 28:20; Joh 16:13)? As the believer and the Church have the Spirit, and are yet not therefore impeccable, so he and the Church have the Spirit, and yet are not infallible or impeccable. He and the Church are both infallible and impeccable, only in proportion to the degree in which they are led by the Spirit. The Spirit leads into all truth and holiness; but His influence on believers and on the Church is as yet partial. Jesus alone, who had the Spirit without measure (Joh 3:34), is both infallible and impeccable. Scripture, because it was written by men, who while writing were infallibly inspired, is unmixed truth (Pr 28:5; 1Jo 2:27).

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary 2:10-16 God has revealed true wisdom to us by his Spirit. Here is a proof of the Divine authority of the Holy Scriptures, 2Pe 1:21. In proof of the Divinity of the Holy Ghost, observe, that he knows all things, and he searches all things, even the deep things of God. No one can know the things of God, but his Holy Spirit, who is one with the Father and the Son, and who makes known Divine mysteries to his church. This is most clear testimony, both to the real Godhead and the distinct person of the Holy Spirit. The apostles were not guided by worldly principles. They had the revelation of these things from the Spirit of God, and the saving impression of them from the same Spirit. These things they declared in plain, simple language, taught by the Holy Spirit, totally different from the affected oratory or enticing words of man's wisdom. The natural man, the wise man of the world, receives not the things of the Spirit of God. The pride of carnal reasoning is really as much opposed to spirituality, as the basest sensuality. The sanctified mind discerns the real beauties of holiness, but the power of discerning and judging about common and natural things is not lost. But the carnal man is a stranger to the principles, and pleasures, and actings of the Divine life. The spiritual man only, is the person to whom God gives the knowledge of his will. How little have any known of the mind of God by natural power! And the apostles were enabled by his Spirit to make known his mind. In the Holy Scriptures, the mind of Christ, and the mind of God in Christ, are fully made known to us. It is the great privilege of Christians, that they have the mind of Christ revealed to them by his Spirit. They experience his sanctifying power in their hearts, and bring forth good fruits in their lives.

 

[lilmissmontana]

New International Version (©1984)
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"Do not judge so that you will not be judged.

International Standard Version (©2008)
"Stop judging, so that you won't be judged,

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
"Stop judging so that you will not be judged.

King James Bible
Judge not, that ye be not judged.

American King James Version
Judge not, that you be not judged.

American Standard Version
Judge not, that ye be not judged.

Bible in Basic English
Be not judges of others, and you will not be judged.

Douay-Rheims Bible
JUDGE not, that you may not be judged,

Darby Bible Translation
Judge not, that ye may not be judged;

English Revised Version
Judge not, that ye be not judged.

Webster's Bible Translation
Judge not, that ye be not judged.

Weymouth New Testament
"Judge not, that you may not be judged;

World English Bible
"Don't judge, so that you won't be judged.

Young's Literal Translation
'Judge not, that ye may not be judged,

Geneva Study Bible
Judge {1} not, that ye be not judged.
(1) We ought to find fault with one another, but we must beware we do not do it without cause, or to seem holier than others or because of hatred of others.

People's New Testament
7:1 The Sermon on the Mount (concluded)
SUMMARY OF MATTHEW 7:
Motes and Beams. Casting Pearls before Swine. Asking and Receiving. The Golden Rule. The Broad and Strait Gates. Wolves in Sheep's Clothing. The Tree Known by Its Fruits. The Kingdom Entered by Obedience. The Wise and Foolish Builders. The Wonderful Teacher.
Judge not, that ye be not judged. The term judge is used in more than one sense, but Christ's meaning is plain. (1) He does not prohibit the civil judgment of the courts upon evil doers, for this is approved throughout the whole Bible. (2) He does not prohibit the judgment of the church, through its officers, upon those who walk disorderly, for both he and the apostles have enjoined this. (3) He does not forbid those private judgments that we are compelled to form the wrong-doers, for he himself tell us that we are to judge men by their fruits. (See Mt 7:15-20.) What he designs to prohibit is rash, uncharitable judgments, a fault-finding spirit, a disposition to condemn without examination of charges.

Wesley's Notes
7:1 Judge not - any man without full, clear, certain knowledge, without absolute necessity, without tender love. Luke 6:37.

Scofield Reference Notes
Margin judge not
In the sense of condemnation.

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
CHAPTER 7
Sermon on the Mount-concluded.
Mt 7:1-12. Miscellaneous Supplementary Counsels.
That these verses are entirely supplementary is the simplest and most natural view of them. All attempts to make out any evident connection with the immediately preceding context are, in our judgment, forced. But, though supplementary, these counsels are far from being of subordinate importance. On the contrary, they involve some of the most delicate and vital duties of the Christian life. In the vivid form in which they are here presented, perhaps they could not have been introduced with the same effect under any of the foregoing heads; but they spring out of the same great principles, and are but other forms and manifestations of the same evangelical "righteousness."
Censorious Judgment (Mt 7:1-5).
1. Judge not, that ye be not judged-To "judge" here does not exactly mean to pronounce condemnatory judgment, nor does it refer to simple judging at all, whether favorable or the reverse. The context makes it clear that the thing here condemned is that disposition to look unfavorably on the character and actions of others, which leads invariably to the pronouncing of rash, unjust, and unlovely judgments upon them. No doubt it is the judgments so pronounced which are here spoken of; but what our Lord aims at is the spirit out of which they spring. Provided we eschew this unlovely spirit, we are not only warranted to sit in judgment upon a brother's character and actions, but in the exercise of a necessary discrimination are often constrained to do so for our own guidance. It is the violation of the law of love involved in the exercise of a censorious disposition which alone is here condemned. And the argument against it-"that ye be not judged"-confirms this: "that your own character and actions be not pronounced upon with the like severity"; that is, at the great day.

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary 7:1-6 We must judge ourselves, and judge of our own acts, but not make our word a law to everybody. We must not judge rashly, nor pass judgment upon our brother without any ground. We must not make the worst of people. Here is a just reproof to those who quarrel with their brethren for small faults, while they allow themselves in greater ones. Some sins are as motes, while others are as beams; some as a gnat, others as a camel. Not that there is any sin little; if it be a mote, or splinter, it is in the eye; if a gnat, it is in the throat; both are painful and dangerous, and we cannot be easy or well till they are got out. That which charity teaches us to call but a splinter in our brother's eye, true repentance and godly sorrow will teach us to call a beam in our own. It is as strange that a man can be in a sinful, miserable condition, and not be aware of it, as that a man should have a beam in his eye, and not consider it; but the god of this world blinds their minds. Here is a good rule for reprovers; first reform thyself.

 

[Cribstyl]

The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:

That's right Lilmiss, A soul who has obtained wisdom from the word of God, is able to make righteous judgements applicable to their life. They dont need another man opinion to make a decision for them.

That's why God's word is a lamp.

 

[Cribstyl]

Judge not, that ye be not judged.

Cool, This means........ condemn not and you wont be condemned.
The spiritual man judge all things.

 

[stormdancer0]

I always try to remember that "Judge not" refers to the person. Don't judge people. But a spiritual person can judge "things." You can call something a sin, and that's not judging. Telling someone they are evil, or a bad person, is judging the person, not the sin. Judge the act or attitude, not the person themselves.

 

[Cribstyl]

I always try to remember that "Judge not" refers to the person. Don't judge people. But a spiritual person can judge "things." You can call something a sin, and that's not judging. Telling someone they are evil, or a bad person, is judging the person, not the sin. Judge the act or attitude, not the person themselves.

Amen...in agreement.



2Cr 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:

2Cr 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds

2Cr 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

2Cr 10:6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

2Cr 10:7Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? If any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he [is] Christ's, even so [are] we Christ's.

 

[Cribstyl]

Here a related article on Discernment......



Judging Without Being Judgmental

 

[lilmissmontana]

Here a related article on Discernment......



Judging Without Being Judgmental

That's a great link, Crib ... thank you! ... it reminds me of growing up and my dad telling us if we judged someone we best be ready to face the same judgement ... because there's all likelyhood we would ...

 

[lilmissmontana]

I always try to remember that "Judge not" refers to the person. Don't judge people. But a spiritual person can judge "things." You can call something a sin, and that's not judging. Telling someone they are evil, or a bad person, is judging the person, not the sin. Judge the act or attitude, not the person themselves.

exactly! totally agree! thank you in fact I would venture to say it would be impossible for discernment to grow without doing so ... so in a way it's one gift bearing out another ... so it holds up to each person's gift is needed to allow the body to grow and be whole ...

 

[Shepherd1]

I wish to share these prayers with you:

Philippians 4:4-7 NKJV "Rejoice in the Lord always. Again I will say, rejoice! Let your gentleness be known to all men. The Lord is at hand. Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus."

Psalm 139 :23-24 NKJV "Search me, O God, and know my heart; Try me, and know my anxieties; And see if there is any wicked way in me, And lead me in the way everlasting."

God bless you...

Shepherd signing off!
Our Shepherds Voice
http://ourshepherdsvoice.blogspot.com


PS Psalm 34:8 NKJV "Oh, taste and see that the LORD is good; Blessed is the man who trusts in Him!"

 

[lilmissmontana]

I wish to share these prayers with you:

Philippians 4:4-7 NKJV "Rejoice in the Lord always. Again I will say, rejoice! Let your gentleness be known to all men. The Lord is at hand. Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus."

Psalm 139 :23-24 NKJV "Search me, O God, and know my heart; Try me, and know my anxieties; And see if there is any wicked way in me, And lead me in the way everlasting."

God bless you...

Shepherd signing off!
Our Shepherds Voice
Our Shepherds Voice


PS Psalm 34:8 NKJV "Oh, taste and see that the LORD is good; Blessed is the man who trusts in Him!"

thank you and God bless you, as well

 

[lilmissmontana]

[FONT=Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Sans-serif,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Christians are instructed to judge doctrine and actions, to test the spirits, and to expose the fruitless works (Matthew 7:15; Romans 16:17-18; 2 Corinthians 2:15; 1 Thessalonians 5:21; 1 John 4:1; Ephesians 5:11). We are not, however, permitted to judge motives or salvation — those are judgments which belong solely to our Lord (1 Corinthians 4:5). We are never to crassly wish ill and evil on others. [/SIZE][/FONT]


http://www.inplainsite.org/html/touch_not_mine_anointed.html

 

[jpcedotal]

I always try to remember that "Judge not" refers to the person. Don't judge people. But a spiritual person can judge "things." You can call something a sin, and that's not judging. Telling someone they are evil, or a bad person, is judging the person, not the sin. Judge the act or attitude, not the person themselves.

That is it.

Judge the act even to the point of telling the one who committed it that the act was wrong...but do not judge the person's intentions or state of mind or hidden agendas....

Tell someone he/she did something wrong. Do not tell someone he/she is wrong.

 

[lilmissmontana]

spiritual malpractice

Luke 12:55,56,57
peace or division

And when ye see the south wind blow, ye say,
There will be heat; and it cometh to pass.
Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the
sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do
not discern this time?
Yea, and why even of yourselves judge ye not
what is right?

Hosea 4:4,5,6
the Lord's controversy with Israel

Yet let no man strive, nor reprove another: for
thy people are as they that strive with the priest.
Therefore shalt thou fall in one day, and the pro-
phet also shall fall with thee in the night, and I will
destroy thy mother.
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: be-
cause thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also re-
ject thee, and thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing
thou hast forgotten thre law of thy God, I will also
forget thy children.

Isaiah 5;13
woes pronounced on the faithless

Therefore, my people are gone into captivity, be-
cause they have no knowledge: and their honorable
men are famished, and their multitude dried up with
thirst.

2 Corinthians 10:10:7
Paul speaks of his spiritual authority

Do ye look not on things after the outward appear-
ance? If any man trust to himself that he is Christ's,
let him of himself think this again, that, as he is
Christ's, even so as we are Christ's.

John 7:24
Jesus teaching cause division

Judge not according to appearance, but judge
rightous judgement.

1 Corinthians 3:23
Ye are God's temple

Ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.

 

[wide lats]

Thanks for telling me about this thread LMM i will read it all when i get the real chance.

 

[lilmissmontana]

Zechariah 7:9
disobedience the cause of captivity

Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Exe-
cute true judgement, and show mercy and
compassions every man to his brother:

Isaiah 58:6,7
a description of true relgion

Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to
loosen the bands of wickedness, to undo the
heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go
free, and that ye break every yoke?
Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and
that thou bring the poor that are cast out to
thy house? when thou seest the naked, that
thou cover him; and that thy hide not thyself
from thine own flesh?

Jeremiah 7:23
the punishment for Judah's rebellion

But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey
my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be
my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I
have commanded you, that it may be well with
you.

 

[lilmissmontana]

Ezekiel 18:21-32
the way of the Lord is just

But if the wicked will turn from all his sins
that he hath committed, and keep all my
statutes, and do that which is lawful and
right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.


All his transgressions that he hath commit-
ted, they shall not be mentioned unto him:
in his righteousness that he hath done he
shall live.
[done! gone!]

Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked
should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not
that he should return from his ways, and
live?
[He wishes that all would come to repentance]

But when the righteous turneth away from
his righteousness, and committeth iniquity,
and doeth according to all the abominations
that the wicked man doeth, shall he live?
All his righteousness that he hath done shall
not be mentioned: in his trespass that he
hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath
sinned, in them shall he die.
[God bases judgement on our individual case, while man judges us based upon someone else's previous experience]

Yet ye say, The way of the LORD is not
equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not
my way equal? are not your ways unequal?
[man judges by precedent]

When a righteous man turneth away from
his righteousness, and committeth iniquity,
and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he
hath done shall he die.

Again, when the wicked man turneth away
from his wickedness that he hath committed,
and doeth that which is lawful and right, he
shall save his soul alive.

Because he considereth, and turneth away
from all his transgressions that he hath com-
mitted, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

Yet saith the house of Israel, The way of
the LORD is not equal. O house of Israel, are
not my ways equal? are not your ways
unequal?

Therefore I will judge you, O house of
Israel, every one according to his ways,
saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn your-
selves from all your transgressions; so
iniquity shall not be your ruin.

Cast away from you all your transgressions,
whereby ye have transgressed; and make you
a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye
die, O house of Israel?
For I have no pleasure in the death of him that
dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn your-
selves, and live ye.

God wants that we Live!

 

[lilmissmontana]

good read on judgement and discernment ...

Discernment and Judgement

 

[mssurrendered]

good read on judgement and discernment ...

Discernment and Judgement

That was a good read Lilmiss..Thanks