Discernment and Interpretation

[Chie]

Discernment and Interpretation.
There is a difference between these two words. Many of the threads and post here are based on beliefs of interpretation and not on discernment.
Can we have one with out the other? Is it the lack of one that causes disagreement between brothers and sisters concerning the teachings of the Word?

 

[Piedpiper123]

We can certainly have one without the other. It is perfectly possible for us all to have our own interpretations and for none of us to have discernment.

 

[vossler]

But you can't have discernment without interpretation.

 

[Piedpiper123]

Well discerned!

 

[Time4AChange]

Alot of times, interpretation is the result of the descernment given to some Christians that are filled. With that being said, it is very possible...and often times, very likely...that there is interpretation without discernment. Alot of people say things that are contradictory to the Word of God, and claim to have discernment, when in actuality...they're just interpreting the Scriptures wrong, OR they just refuse to accept the truth.

and to the OP, it could very well be the lack of discernment that causes disagreements between brothers and sisters, but from what i've seen on here....the true cause of disagreements is just denial. People just don't want to accept the truth because they love what they're doing.

 

[Chie]

Alot of times, interpretation is the result of the descernment given to some Christians that are filled. With that being said, it is very possible...and often times, very likely...that there is interpretation without discernment. Alot of people say things that are contradictory to the Word of God, and claim to have discernment, when in actuality...they're just interpreting the Scriptures wrong, OR they just refuse to accept the truth.

and to the OP, it could very well be the lack of discernment that causes disagreements between brothers and sisters, but from what i've seen on here....the true cause of disagreements is just denial. People just don't want to accept the truth because they love what they're doing.

I would have to agree also when some won't accept truth because of the love of or lack of conviction.
Is it possible we hold to interpretation because it has been taught to us rather than descernment of the Holy Spirit?

 

[Time4AChange]

I would have to agree also when some won't accept truth because of the love of or lack of conviction.
Is it possible we hold to interpretation because it has been taught to us rather than descernment of the Holy Spirit?

It's natural to be more comfortable with interpretation than it is with discernment. Your interpretation comes from years and years of what you were taught to believe, while discernment only comes when you accept Christ and when you've been filled with the Holy Spirit. Holding to discernment requires us to completely surrender all to God and His will, and seeing as that can be a tough thing to do...until we surrender all to Him, we'll most likely go with what we know...which is interpretation, our interpretation.

 

[allhart]

I would have to agree also when some won't accept truth because of the love of or lack of conviction.
Is it possible we hold to interpretation because it has been taught to us rather than descernment of the Holy Spirit?

They try exploiting Gods grace and they play out there is no penalty's for there behavior ?(choices )They also play the rest of us and play with the wording in the bible on in deceive us .

 

[Chie]

They try exploiting Gods grace and they play out there is no penalty's for there behavior ?(choices )They also play the rest of us and play with the wording in the bible on in deceive us .

I have seen this at times to. And it saddens my heart.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Heres something from a study on the way God speaks, interpretations, parables and revealing a thing by His Spirit. Discerning something is by the Spirit and babes (see below) dont have discernment by reason of their age. So being tossed "to and fro" by doctrines of men is typical of them.

God spoke in this manner by the prophets

Hosea 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.

Just as Daniel knew there is a God that revealeth secrets and gave Daniel the "interpretation".

Gen 4:8 Do not ~interpretations~ belong to God?

Jesus spoke in "parables" He did so that others might NOT understand Luke 8:10 (its "given one to know")

Psalm 78:2 I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old.

The parables speak of things of old (kept secret)

Psalm 49:41 will incline mine ear to a parable: I will open my dark saying upon the harp.

Have we ever asked ourselves what "that" is? He OPENS His dark saying upon a HARP (incredible study)

1Cr 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by ~his Spirit~: for ~the Spirit~ searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

I love this... taught by HIM

John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.


1Cr 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God ~knoweth~ no man, but the Spirit of God.


1Cr 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Spiritual things WITH SPIRITUAL

1Cr 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; ~comparing~ spiritual things with spiritual.

1Cr 2:14 But the natural man ~receiveth not~ the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: ~neither can he~ know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The Apostles instill a trust and confidence in God and the ability of the anointing to teach all things. I never see that today.

1John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need ~not~ that ~ANY MAN~ teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of ~all things~, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

The "natural man", those Paul showed "believed" but were still yet "carnal" being babes. "These" he could not speak to them yet as "spiritual".

Heb 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who ~by reason of use~ have their senses exercised to discern both ~good~ and ~evil~.

By nature "children" are tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine. Looking at this verse in Hebrews "children" are "unskilful" and their senses are not "excercised" to be able to discern.

Sorry if I wrote too much or not enough, I couldnt find the word "discernment" in my KJV

Peace

Fireinfolding

 

[Chie]

Heres something from a study on the way God speaks, interpretations, parables and revealing a thing by His Spirit. Discerning something is by the Spirit and babes (see below) dont have discernment by reason of their age. So being tossed "to and fro" by doctrines of men is typical of them.

God spoke in this manner by the prophets

Hosea 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.

Just as Daniel knew there is a God that revealeth secrets and gave Daniel the "interpretation".

Gen 4:8 Do not ~interpretations~ belong to God?

Jesus spoke in "parables" He did so that others might NOT understand Luke 8:10 (its "given one to know")

Psalm 78:2 I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old.

The parables speak of things of old (kept secret)

Psalm 49:41 will incline mine ear to a parable: I will open my dark saying upon the harp.

Have we ever asked ourselves what "that" is? He OPENS His dark saying upon a HARP (incredible study)

1Cr 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by ~his Spirit~: for ~the Spirit~ searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

I love this... taught by HIM

John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.


1Cr 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God ~knoweth~ no man, but the Spirit of God.


1Cr 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Spiritual things WITH SPIRITUAL

1Cr 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; ~comparing~ spiritual things with spiritual.

1Cr 2:14 But the natural man ~receiveth not~ the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: ~neither can he~ know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The Apostles instill a trust and confidence in God and the ability of the anointing to teach all things. I never see that today.

1John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need ~not~ that ~ANY MAN~ teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of ~all things~, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

The "natural man", those Paul showed "believed" but were still yet "carnal" being babes. "These" he could not speak to them yet as "spiritual".

Heb 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who ~by reason of use~ have their senses exercised to discern both ~good~ and ~evil~.

By nature "children" are tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine. Looking at this verse in Hebrews "children" are "unskilful" and their senses are not "excercised" to be able to discern.

Sorry if I wrote too much or not enough, I couldnt find the word "discernment" in my KJV

Peace

Fireinfolding

Thanks for taking the time and all that you did post

 

[Fireinfolding]

Thanks for not biting

Peace

Firenfolding

 

[dayhiker]

Thanks Fire for posting those scriptures.

I find in reading theologians who teach at seminaries of the best Bible colleges even they different positions on what the Bible says. The Bible college I went to had two beloved professors that had differant opinions and they made a point to teach their prespective class. They didn't put down the other professor, but us students knew the score.

Then we had a new president come into the college. He didn't want any diversity of opinion and he started firing a few of the professors. I found this said as did many of the other students. There was even a student protest. Which of course changed nothing because this president knew he was doing God's will. Yet in a couple of years he left God's calling to see a revival on the east coast of the USA to head back to the midwest.

To me its are we loving God and people. If we have Jesus 1st, I don't care too much about weather a person is duncked 3 times or once when they are baptised. Or if they touch something they should or shouldn't. If noone is hurt then I say I'll fellowship with them.

That's how I interpret and discern who I fellowhip with. So I've had great fellowship with Baptists and methodist and Brethern and Meninite and Pesus People and Charismatics and others. yet, I'm also finding brothers that are seperating themselves from me because I love anyone who names Jesus as their Lord.

Its both a blessing to know all these Christians and a saddening of my heart that people seperate from those that clearly Jesus loves.

Well, that's how I see it.

dayhiker

 

[Fireinfolding]

Thanks Fire for posting those scriptures.

I find in reading theologians who teach at seminaries of the best Bible colleges even they different positions on what the Bible says. The Bible college I went to had two beloved professors that had differant opinions and they made a point to teach their prespective class. They didn't put down the other professor, but us students knew the score.

Then we had a new president come into the college. He didn't want any diversity of opinion and he started firing a few of the professors. I found this said as did many of the other students. There was even a student protest. Which of course changed nothing because this president knew he was doing God's will. Yet in a couple of years he left God's calling to see a revival on the east coast of the USA to head back to the midwest.

I love that its written, "How does it read to you"? Since when are we to study to show ourselves approved by men? Its unto God we do and our praise be of HIM not men. Im so glad knowledge isnt listed as a fruit of the Spirit

Lords over others "faith" we are not to be, some think they are. The Lord keeps watch over knowledge. It seems (as I observe) that the letting of two or three speak and "the others judge" is a nessesary part of excercising ourselves unto discernmant. But its become "let one man speak and let no man dare question him". I dont buy that Test all things Diotrephes is an excellent example of a one man show gone bad. He who desired the preeminence that belongs to Christ alone over the church. Lots of "those" it seems.

To me its are we loving God and people. If we have Jesus 1st, I don't care too much about weather a person is duncked 3 times or once when they are baptised. Or if they touch something they should or shouldn't. If noone is hurt then I say I'll fellowship with them.

That's how I interpret and discern who I fellowhip with. So I've had great fellowship with Baptists and methodist and Brethern and Meninite and Pesus People and Charismatics and others. yet, I'm also finding brothers that are seperating themselves from me because I love anyone who names Jesus as their Lord.

Its both a blessing to know all these Christians and a saddening of my heart that people seperate from those that clearly Jesus loves.

Well, that's how I see it.

dayhiker

Me too I dont care what name one slaps on their forehead

If they bear His Spirit they (to me) become obvious. They are surely known and read of all men by their love for one another.

Let them separate from you who cares.... just obey the Lord (He's not clicky).

It says, to call upon the Lord along with those who do so out of a pure heart. I dont see that being along side with those who say "Im holier then thou"

There are those who are pure in "their own eyes" who are not cleansed from their "filth". Being that our own righteousness is as "filthy rags"... touching no "unclean thing" makes more sense huh?

Peace

Fiirenfolding