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You offered Radio dating. That depends on the present laws being in effect, it doesn't prove they were.Answer to your question:
In post #436 I gave you evidence for a same state past.
( http://www.christianforums.com/t7639776-44/#post60140831 )
I also noticed you haven't answered the question in post #481 (I asked for a source for the claim that people in Sumer etc had long lives).
What is your definition?Seventh try:
Are you not using the same definition or are you lying?
Nor did I claim it did.You offered Radio dating. That depends on the present laws being in effect, it doesn't prove they were.
Thank you.
1. A thing or things helpful in forming a conclusion or judgment.What is your definition?
So how would it evidence the same state past then?Nor did I claim it was.
Cheers.Thank you.
Sounds like the bible to me.1. A thing or things helpful in forming a conclusion or judgment.
2. Something indicative; an outward sign.
3. ground for belief or disbelief.
Sounds fine to me, any of that stuff for a same state past?Eight try
Are you not using the same definition or are you lying?
My bad, I screwed up the grammar. I meant 'did' not 'was'.So how would it evidence the same state past then?
Yes. The bible is evidence.Sounds like the bible to me.
See post #436 for evidence.Sounds fine to me, any of that stuff for a same state past?
From your description, the bible seems to fit the bill.I asked you to define evidence before, but it seems you forgot what evidence is.
False. None.There is plenty evidence for same state past (against your flood and instant growth) and very lacking evidence for for different state past (only some interpretations of the bible, if I'm not mistaken).
False. It is assumed. Nothing more. Name ONE example where it was not assumed but concluded?You've also written several times that science assumes same state past, it doesn't.
It's a conclusion derived from several different fields of science. All evidence points to a same state past (or veeeeeeery close to).
I dismiss no evidence. Name any one bit of evidence that you think I dismiss?What you do, however, when dismissing the evidence given is that you work by the assumption that there was a different state past.
The bible is evidence but evidence is not the bible.From your description, the bible seems to fit the bill.
It's been mentioned before:False. It is assumed. Nothing more. Name ONE example where it was not assumed but concluded?
Ice cores.I dismiss no evidence. Name any one bit of evidence that you think I dismiss?
Radiacive decay didn't get a top billing, and a name in lights in the bible. It is just a feature of the state that is slated to pass away.
Does decay even sound to you like it is something in a forever state?
Yes I do.
The bible and history as well as agreement with all physical evidence science has.
Can't beat that.
You have zilch for a same state past.
Nothing whatsoever and it is opposed to reason, history and the revealed word of God.
They have isotopes, that are now in a decay arrangement. Obviously our state and nature and forces and laws are required to make decay happen. Rocks are not old. No rock on earth is old, stop freaking.
Strange. If this world passes away, how is it that you think that the decay of this world won't? Not a bright point.
The bible is evidence but evidence is not the bible.
It's been mentioned before:
Ice cores
Ice cores.
There's more, but you asked for one.
No. Since decay is a feature of this state, a subset of it, then we can apply a set to include a subset and be quite correct.So you just make it up.
The future is the key to the past! Also Adam was to live forever, so we can assume that what you claim does not last forever was not a part of that nature. Either way, you are surrounded.Something that decays does not last forever, no. But we;re not discussing that, we're discussing whether the laws that apply in the universe today have always applied
Never happened. Myth. No possible proof.And in the 14 billion or so years that this universe has been around, the laws we see today applied for all but the briefest fraction of a second, and that was way back in the split second after the Big Bang.
The spirits living among men in the early records of Egypt. The long life spans recorded by early Sumer.And what part of history supports your different state past ideas? You've never said that either.
Or maybe you missed it? Whooosh?I have quite a lot, which I have posted and you've never explained.
It is the quintessential essence of reason. Nothing is supported as much. No evidence exists for the fables science holds up as alternatives. Win/win/win.There is no use of reason or rationality behind your claims. There is no support for your claims from history, and your ideas aren't supported by the revealed word of God, just your INTERPRETATION of the Bible.
Thet may have been there already, not accumulated! All that accumulated was the bit since our state started!Then how did they accumulate the decay products that indicate millions of years of decay?
When you go to infinity and beyond, get back to us Buzz.Since when did I say that radioactive decay was confined to Earth? As long as the universe exists, and as long as there are radioactive materials in this universe, they will decay.
...and yet you claim that science agrees with you (or at least that there is natural evidence).I am trying to say, ...sorry but so called science hasn't a clue what state existed.
The thing is, we don't know whether it was a SSP or DSP.The present state slow process of making layers cannot be applied to the past unless we know it was present state. Obviously. In the book you cite as evidence, the bible, we have water, and ways a lot of it could be fast frozen to make layers. The treasures of the snow.
No. Since decay is a feature of this state, a subset of it, then we can apply a set to include a subset and be quite correct.
The future is the key to the past! Also Adam was to live forever, so we can assume that what you claim does not last forever was not a part of that nature. Either way, you are surrounded.
Never happened. Myth. No possible proof.
The spirits living among men in the early records of Egypt. The long life spans recorded by early Sumer.
Or maybe you missed it? Whooosh?
It is the quintessential essence of reason. Nothing is supported as much. No evidence exists for the fables science holds up as alternatives. Win/win/win.
Thet may have been there already, not accumulated! All that accumulated was the bit since our state started!
When you go to infinity and beyond, get back to us Buzz.
Right. It does. Not so called science the sort of stuff that blathers on and on about the future or past they have no clue about....and yet you claim that science agrees with you (or at least that there is natural evidence).
Bingo! Where the "we" is science.The thing is, we don't know whether it was a SSP or DSP.
False. Only a present state would be expected in the present state!But since no different states has been observed and/or tested during present time (or what might be called present) we can, relatively safely, assume current states have been in work for an indefinite amount of time.
Unless there were strong indicators otherwise.
False. They are what is mentally projected through the fields of study. They form the basis for all study.The indicators of SSP (unbroken tracing through different fields of study) vastly outnumber the indicators of DSP.
Well, my mind is open to anything that allows God and the bible to be absolutely true.Both SSP and DSP is possible, but to claim DSP is the absolute truth is to close your mind to all other possibilities.
We have records of those that did! The prophets in the bible that saw the future for example. Or the folks from the DSP. You here in the present can observe only the present. As expected.Now, if we were to observe and/or test any different states, I would support DSP, if those different states would support it.
Thanks.Hope I got my point through, good night, I'll read more tomorrow.
The future is the key to the past! Eternity and forever are not well blended with present state decay, are they?And how do you know that decay isn't a feature of ALL states?
I would think that a future and past being DSP would relate to your present state points.This has nothing whatsoever to do with the question I asked. You use a lot of words, dad, but you say very little.
Blather. The bible and history and agreement with facts is a good thing.It's no myth. I'd show you why, but you have demonstrated that you have no interest in actually learning. All you do is come here and repeat your unsupported claims. Ironically, you yourself provide people with the best evidence that they are wrong.
I thinkk that if you google king lists and either Egypt or Sumer you will find stuff.While I don't doubt that they had these stories, have you go a link for them?
You saw but I suspect you missed a lot. The SSP cannot be supported.lol, no, I saw each and every one of you attempted rebuttals. They all failed miserably. However, if you think I missed one, feel free to tell me the post number.
So how do you explain the presence of them if those daughter materials themselves decay into other elements?
How do you explain that the amounts we see PRECISELY match what we'd expect to see if this decay had been going on for millions of years? Or do you think the different materials were just MAGICALLY in exactly the right amounts, in ALL places around the world, to make it look like something happened that never did?
The future is the key to the past! Eternity and forever are not well blended with present state decay, are they?
I would think that a future and past being DSP would relate to your present state points.
Blather. The bible and history and agreement with facts is a good thing.
I thinkk that if you google king lists and either Egypt or Sumer you will find stuff.
You saw but I suspect you missed a lot. The SSP cannot be supported.
Good point. Well, give one example I'll try to tackle it.
Example?
Reps your way --I think that the idea of a different state past brings out the relevance of DuhemâQuine thesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia . Insofar as I understand it is says scientific hypothesis are not pure but based on background assumptions like uniformity accross space time. Actually science itself seems to prove theat laws can emerge (e.g. gravitation) and that different scales can exibit different behavior.
Well, my mind is open to anything that allows God and the bible to be absolutely true.
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