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You are not Jesus, are you?Really, because sometimes Jesus didn't even cite the book. He just said, "it's written," or, "haven't you read?". It was the hearer's responsibility to know where.
No, and I don't always remember exactly where a verse is. That, and often the randomly numbered verses distract from the larger context.You are not Jesus, are you?
My own personal opinion is that perhaps Jesus' reference with healing as a sign, was not necessarily meant on an individual basis. But more like, if you see this group of people that are speaking in tongues and they have healings manifest, they are true believers. Whereas Paul's discussion on the subject in 1 Cor 12 is more about the individual believer. How some will have the gift/manifestation as healing.
So Jesus was speaking about the body as a whole and a way of discerning true Spirit filled believers, and Paul was speaking on an individual basis.
Continue to argue of course. Thats the norm around CF anyway. You know, a group of Christians would argue over anything anymore. Individuals get so bullheaded and refuse to even consider their opinion on theology and doctrine may possibly be wrong. Then they have to talk down others who have a differing view. I asked a simple question, but yet it turns into "arguing more".Has enough conversation been stimulated or should we argue more?
Continue to argue of course. Thats the norm around CF anyway. You know, a group of Christians would argue over anything anymore. Individuals get so bullheaded and refuse to even consider their opinion on theology and doctrine may possibly be wrong. Then they have to talk down others who have a differing view. I asked a simple question, but yet it turns into "arguing more".
Continue to argue of course. Thats the norm around CF anyway. You know, a group of Christians would argue over anything anymore. Individuals get so bullheaded and refuse to even consider their opinion on theology and doctrine may possibly be wrong. Then they have to talk down others who have a differing view. I asked a simple question, but yet it turns into "arguing more".
Lolol,... brother it's been like that for a long time around here, and we can't expect it to change.
Each of us has their differing levels of maturity and experience, so this is all that can be expected here. The best thing though, is for each of us to work on drawing near unto Jesus. This little circus sideshow is not to be in His way.
I believe anyone who is chosen out for GOD to operate in great amounts of His power will be properly trained on that topic,... the glory of GOD.
We are but imperfect vessels that He has chosen to operate through, and it is a privilege for this to happen through us. But we must maintain the position that it's not about us. GOD's glory includes the aspect that it is His decision and His work to accomplish through you. You are not involved other than to allow it to happen. It is to be Him operating the gifts and Him speaking,.... not you.
There have been saints who were led into looking at themselves just a little bit too much by other Christians and society over the years, and it led to their eventual downfall. It takes a strong mind and a strong will to not allow other people to be used by satan against you. It other words, you need to immediately know when to push them away from you.
Emphasizing being a 'Channel of God's power' places too much attention on the individual.
Really?
I don't think anyone would refuse to walk in the power that was flowing through Peter as he walked by people and they were healed. That right there is true divine healing, not this faith healing being promoted on here at times.
The example is Jesus no matter what, and yes,..... that requires us,... ie individuals, to learn how to do those things that Jesus did, and even greater things.
Too many people and churches nowadays think that they can just bypass this example from Jesus unto us and just go to GOD directly on everything,.... well guess what, that is not GOD's plan. Never was.
He wants to work through us.
My faith is less inhibited by keeping me out of the equation.
Cant say I agree with this...That is true. It's not about us it's about Him, but He has decided to operate through us to His glory, He doesn't do it apart from us.
Healing is from the Holy Spirit. Signs of healing and manifestation of healings are synonymous. Some Christians have been called to study medicine. Vaccines, pharmaceuticals and surgeries have saved many lives. Not all receive the same vocational training.In Mark 16 Jesus calls healing a sign that followers believers
In 1 Corinthians 12 Paul names healings as a manifestation (gift) of the Spirit.
What is the difference between the two? Do you have personal testimony bearing such evidence?
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My father was miraculously healed of emphysema after prayers from my mother (newly born-again believer) I would equate that with the first example.In Mark 16 Jesus calls healing a sign that followers believers
In 1 Corinthians 12 Paul names healings as a manifestation (gift) of the Spirit.
What is the difference between the two? Do you have personal testimony bearing such evidence?
I believe it's all through the Holy Spirit. Apart from God, we can do nothing.I'm only referencing how Jesus calls healing a sign of believers in Mark 16, but Paul calls healing a manifestation of the Spirit in 1 Cor 12. It's entirely possible the two are the same, just curious if there's something that differentiates between the two.
i could see that. How our prayers (like in James 5) can help heal someone, and that is a sign that we are believers.My father was miraculously healed of emphysema after prayers from my mother (newly born-again believer) I would equate that with the first example.
The second is a gift that can only operate through the Holy Spirit. I've not witnessed healings in this way but have had a discernment of spirits where the Holy Spirit directed me.
Cant say I agree with this...
I have known folks to be healed in isolation with no 'intermediary' in fact I have experienced this myself.
He doesn't always use a human agent.
I would never limit my hope in Him healing based on my own self assessment.
While some might use this to avoid accountability for holiness, this is not my issue.
It freaks me out to see young folk set aside for ministry, with confidence in their appointment, encouraged to exercise the 'authority' they have been given yet devoid of the necessary discernment and experience to see what the Father is doing.
The still small voice is becoming a rare commodity in this world of action.
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