Different churches one Lord

[mikeforjesus]

It is the Spirit which speaks to the churches. Each hear His voice as much as the person seek to hear. All are required to read the bible and have trust in Him. For some are content with trusting the church yet they read the bible and God still communicates with them and has relationship with them and helps strengthen those who spend time with Him they do not need to hear more. Others can know Christ more better if they seek it Christ knows it is necessary to them to give them assurance so they have to study the word deeper until He is known well so satan does not snatch the word from their hearts. Because some people do not spend much time with Christ in prayer or the word or not connected to a church that feeds them sufficiently to strengthen them or having developed a relationship with Christ in their own way of seeking to grow closer to Him they may not have sufficient oil or faith that is not dead that is can endure trials and tribulations which is to show your faith is real enough to be evidenced by actions. Those therefore who show they can not endure troubles show they never had enough roots of relationship with God and need to spend more time in His word according to everyone needs of developing enough roots to be able to trust God and seek a relationship with God for God to communicate in His own way to one to build one up and strengthen one in his own walk with God

the bible says in revelations about Christ coming let him who hears say come so He is Himself seeking a relationship with all. He has the keys of David which no one can open and not one can shut. So God is inviting all to know Him. If one finds Jesus no one can take Jesus away from them. By saying let him who hears say come it seems to mean christ came to offer a direct relationship with one and one does not need another person to teach him what is required for him to be saved

 

[mikeforjesus]

This parable shows why it is important to read bible to have relationship with God

I think there may be salvation outside the church but I am doubting if I am not sure I have full understanding of what is required to be saved as parable says it could be that devil wants to hide simplicity of faith he snatches the word from heart but as I don’t know as I don’t know I think to follow church unless I can have full faith that I have complete understanding of what is required to be saved

Luke 8:11-15
11 “Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. 13 But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root,who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. 14 Now the ones that fell among thorns are those who, when they have heard, go out and are choked with cares, riches, and pleasures of life, and bring no fruit to maturity. 15 But the ones that fell on the good ground are those who, having heard the word with a noble and good heart, keep it and bear fruit with patience

 

[mikeforjesus]

I am thinking it is possible Ireneus was neither catholic or orthodox he said the apostles kept the tradition at Rome so churches should agree with it that is all he said all churches should agree when he was against assembling outside to hold them in suspicion it may be because some people knew what the apostles taught and did contradict it to teach against it

but he lists bishops in apostolic succession but those bishops may not have created divisive church doctrines but others did they were at time of apostles

But it does seem he supports a church and I believe even the tradition is divisive and does not seem to me to be what Jesus and the apostles taught so I believe that God allowed the tradition of the church because if He did not many would claim themselves as only true church with salvation and because some may expect an authority to preach but it is not as word of God teaches but allowed because not all would agree

he was the one who said that the church would be caught away which seems to mean rapture before the tribulation which I believe means those who are ready are the church but that others can be saved in the tribulation if they overcome

I believe there could be a rapture because Jesus said He would come when people do not expect it in times of peace and safety because people would expect Him in tribulation though it is possible it refers to being alert to watch as people do not know exact day or hour

 

[mikeforjesus]

There is actually just one church Jesus built of which apostles were part of and taught because Jesus commanded everyone to follow Him to call no one one earth their teacher therefore people in churches are not allowed to ignore prophecy even if it is not from their church if it is according to word of God and should fellowship with others

 

[mikeforjesus]

It is a commandment of the Lord to spread His word Christ also called us to be united so even if not we must not have any feeling of disdain for others so even if church people do not believe others are Christian still they should be united because they do not know not to force one denomination. It is wrong to attack other denominations to try to be judgemental we have duty as Christians to spread word of God to say to people to come to Christ it is ok if you follow church but people need to put Christ first to preach Him everyone has duty to but just because you don’t know and think it is in church you tell people it is just because you believe that you need to join church so it is important to preach Christ to everyone it is a duty.

 

[mikeforjesus]

The truth is that there are children of God from every denomination to truly be born again is to have relationship with Jesus then He will know you. Both those who follow traditional churches and those who do not do not really know Jesus if they focus on their own will to fight others and not doing the will of Jesus to really have personal relationship with Jesus to know Him personally by spending time with Him not insisting on fighting but to do His will. Unless a person truly trusts God who is sincere to have real relationship with God and to trust Him then God sees person does not believe in Him and does not know them.

 

[mikeforjesus]

I don’t understand this view if someone believes way of salvation has never allowed to hold to church creeds unless all these churches because they came from the original did once teach Christ only and fell from first century and others more recently.

The catholic church has fallen.
The lutheran church has fallen.
The pentecostal church has fallen.
The methodist church has fallen.
The presbyterian church has fallen.
The baptist church has fallen.

Ladies and Gentlemen, the only church left of the present day 7 churches are the Bible believing Christians that DO NOT COMPROMISE with the world.
If Jesus was here today, He would not address the 7 churches of the past as He did in the book of Revelation, He would address the churches as they're known to us today. Jesus has already taken their lampstands away, they walk in darkness now. The apostasy is at its completion and the Antichrist (man of sin) (man of lawlessness) (the Son of Satan) is VERY VERY VERY VERY CLOSE.

 

[mikeforjesus]

In my opinion I dont think need church for how can you know a priest ordained fulfilled all requirements to be worthy of laying of hands according to church rules or if the line of apostleship recorded is true and if it is true if the bishops afterward ordained fulfilled all church rules if they even fasted before ordination according to church rules but I am following church incase to trust to see if makes difference. We are born not of will of man but of God. It is God who makes apostles. Jesus says a man can receive nothing unless given from above. He said where 2 or 3 are gathered in His name He is there. So if He is there then they are already accepted and we can conclude i dont see why any believer can not baptise but if want to be safe should be an elder and since christ is among where 2 or 3 are gathered in His name a elder should be selected if God wants to work through such for the sake of order for others to be part of a local church to make them go and to be submissive from the congregation that God works for that and Paul said not to lay hands on anyone hastily that he should show that he is qualified having knowldge and is commited and behaves good.The bible says Timothy was made elder by prophecy and laying on of hands. That may have been unique that God showed Paul his fitness. But we are to trust God since as I said since God is among 2 or 3 believers which may be the meaning if you agree on anything it will be done for you when it is a matter among 2 or 3 but when it is matter of church all church decides to give approval as though lay hand to give gift so people may be obedient to the local church That that is the way one is chosen by God that other believers in seeing them gifted and commited and consistent behaving bless them to give them gifts to serve local church

 

[mikeforjesus]

I believe actually it probably does not matter if person is ordained pastor for sacraments that any believer can do as says where 2 or 3 are gathered in My name I am there that any believer can baptise and partake in the Lord supper together atleast I know it is the case for emergencies as all need it to perfect one so should be celebrated where 2 or 3 are gathered in church that should trust christ but can seek one suitable to ordain for the sake of perfecting people to give grace of sacraments but otherwise people still saved but may not have grace but God gives gifts to those properly ordained for the sake of helping lead more souls to christ and to be overseers but they are not the chief shepherd and not lords but examples to the flock that others can be saved reading the bible as bible says no one shall say know the Lord and call no one on earth teacher that all can know but some are gifted because they sought the Lord earlier to give them gift to help people who are babes before they mature on their own and such spiritual elders are important supposed to be overseers to provide accountability and guidance perhaps to perfect to forgive sins in but I am going to orthodox church only to test it if it alone strengthens my faith through confession and having prayer done

 

[mikeforjesus]

I believe there are christians in every denomination that does not support gospel bible condemns that it is a personal matter of acknowledging one needs a saviour and that one can not depend on a old testament law to be saved for it means you are not trusting in what He did and taught to be all that is required and you need to accept anyway if you dont understand if Paul said to galatians keeping any old testament law to be justified cuts you off just as he says for circumcision that it does.

But one must believe he needs a saviour as he is not perfect and never becomes worthy by his deeds that he falls short of perfection that he never deserves salvation that no matter how many deeds he can do now he never fulfilled the law perfectly to have done all the good possible which is what the law requires to have helped everyone who needed help.

For some think they were perfected to do to everyone not just seek to do what you can now but I think to be safe is required to seek to do what you can to serve christ by preaching and seeking to help all who need specially your help on your path and some of all types of people who you know who are in need.For that is what is meant by not submitting to the righteousness of christ that he explains by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified because by the law is the knowledge of sin that he means because even if you keep many laws you need christ atonement because of your sins.

 

[mikeforjesus]

This video by Mar Mari Emmanuel is a message to wake up america to repent or will be destroyed and lost

 

[mikeforjesus]

It seems most christians who are not orthodox or catholic mostly those against the orthodox and catholic believers don’t give Mary the mother of Jesus the honor she deserves. The bible says all generations will call me blessed whether they choose christ to be saved which is part of honoring her truly or forced to in hell or just to say in all generations there will be people who honor her.But that is not supposed to be the case. To give honor pleases christ though bible says there is only one mediator if one wilfully dishonors not just an opinion may have lack of reward it still pleases christ to honor her who sacrificed alot.

One does not need an intercession to be saved but I think it helps as she is close to Jesus just to help to give assurance you are on the way to have peace.That verse there is only one mediator does not mean others can not help you as even we believe we benefit from others prayers on earth but that christ is sufficient to save but may not have extra blessing of others help just to help support you following the right way.

We can derive from the bible alone Mary was probably a virgin all her life since when angel said she will have a son she said how can this be meaning she did not plan to have a marriage where you have children.You can not know for sure from bible alone but you can choose to accept incase.But being a virgin alone does not make one more holy except for the reason that it shows she was seeking to be content with christ only to magnify Him.The orthodox and catholic church is not the source of the belief but they lived in time or close to time of Jesus that it would have been spread by word of mouth but God only had churches record it so that it is never a point of contention that others have to believe it or be lost if others also doubt those others not from orthodox or catholic church who support it but wanted honor freely given.