Difference between liberal & conservative

[Not me]

The liberals want to be liberated from that which the conservatives want to conserve. And what is that;

The definition of right and wrong.

in Christ, Not me

 

[Zoii]

The liberals want to be liberated from that which the conservatives want to conserve. And what is that;

The definition of right and wrong.

in Christ, Not me

What I observe of American politics is the increasing tendency of your leaders to express principles in terms of good or evil. axis of evil evil-doers "there is no neutral ground between good and evil" [quote by Bush]. This type of talk sets up divisiveness in a nation. Theres no room to find the middle ground or appreciate the other's views. It espouses that Im right therefore you are not only wrong but evil. I have noted that increasingly the level of diviseness has increased where there is almost open animosity between conservative and democratic supporters.

If a nation is to be great then it requires cooperation between leaders and a vision the entire nation can support and work towards. Terms like Right/Wrong or Good/Evil will continue to rip the country apart.

 

[Not me]

What I observe of American politics is the increasing tendency of your leaders to express principles in terms of good or evil. axis of evil evil-doers "there is no neutral ground between good and evil" [quote by Bush]. This type of talk sets up divisiveness in a nation. Theres no room to find the middle ground or appreciate the other's views. It espouses that Im right therefore you are not only wrong but evil. I have noted that increasingly the level of diviseness has increased where there is almost open animosity between conservative and democratic supporters.

If a nation is to be great then it requires cooperation between leaders and a vision the entire nation can support and work towards. Terms like Right/Wrong or Good/Evil will continue to rip the coutnry apart.

Question;

Should you compromise with evil? Would that not itself be evil?

Case in point; Should one compromise on abortion. Meaning that we should only kill half the children.

in Christ, Not me

 

[Zoii]

Question;

Should you compromise with evil? Would that not itself be evil?

Case in point; Should one compromise on abortion. Meaning that we should only kill half the children.

in Christ, Not me

You've done the very thing that I believe progates the division in your nation - Pointing to the other side and calling them evil because they have a different view to yours on any given topic. If you continue to talk in this way, particularly at a leadership level, democracy weakens. The two sides of the political divide will not cooperate. My observation is that this is already happening.

My view is - stop this line of talk

 

[Go Braves]

That's what I used to think but conservatives who give their full support to Trump sure do confuse me.

 

[Not me]

You've done the very thing that I believe progates the division in your nation - Pointing to the other side and calling them evil because they have a different view to yours on any given topic. If you continue to talk in this way, particularly at a leadership level, democracy weakens. The two sides of the poltical divide will not cooperate. My oberservation is that this is already happening.

My view is - stop this line of talk

I see it as just opposite, I see we are in the situation we are in because, we HAVE compromised with evil. Stop compromising with evil, is the only way out of the darkness that we’re in. For doing righteousness for it’s own sake, is the only thing that will fix society’s problems.

in Christ, Not me

 

[Not me]

That's what I used to think but conservatives who give their full support to Trump sure do confuse me.

I don’t know many conservatives that give there full support to Trump. Support yes, but not full. The way I saw it was; Which would be better, a full cup of poison (Hillary) or a cup that you weren’t sure how much poison was in it? (Trump) So I reasoned that if my vote could help save one child’s life, it was worth my vote. Regardless of how good or bad, I’d vote to save that child’s life. (my thinks anyways)

in Christ, Not me

 

[Go Braves]

I don’t know many conservatives that give there full support to Trump.

I do.

Support yes, but not full. The way I saw it was; Which would have better, a full cup of poison (Hillary) or a cup that you weren’t sure how much poison was in it? (Trump) So I reasoned that if my vote could help save one child’s life, it was worth my vote. Regardless of how good or bad, I’d vote to save that child’s life. (my thinks anyways)

in Christ, Not me

The problem with the election IMO was with the primaries. We had plenty of Republican choices. Picked the LEAST conservative one there was.

I saw Hillary as a cup of poison. I see Trump as endless barrels of it.

 

[Go Braves]

I agree about the primary’s.

Your not saying you would have preferred that Hillarity (deliberate typo) would have won are you?

Not me

Now I don't like Hillary one bit, but oh heck yes I'd rather have her over Trump. He's been a disaster for the country, a terrible example for kids. Opposite of being a conservative in just about every way there is.

Don't get me wrong, if I had it my way I'd much rather have any of the Republicans in the primary. I was rooting for Kasich.

 

[Not me]

Now I don't like Hillary one bit, but oh heck yes I'd rather have her over Trump. He's been a disaster for the country, a terrible example for kids. Opposite of being a conservative in just about every way there is.

Don't get me wrong, if I had it my way I'd much rather have any of the Republicans in the primary. I was rooting for Kasich.

Interesting that a conservative would pick Hillary over Trump. Most curious.

Not me

 

[Go Braves]

Interesting that a conservative would pick Hillary over Trump. Most curious.

Not me

Trump has managed to make Hillary look downright conservative in comparison.

Like I said, before he came along, conservatism was more about conserving traditional values.

 

[Silmarien]

The liberals want to be liberated from that which the conservatives want to conserve. And what is that;

The definition of right and wrong.

in Christ, Not me

Don't be ridiculous. Assuming that conservatives do not actually think that the poor are a drain on society and ought to fend for themselves (super Christ-like, that), one of the major differences between liberals and conservatives involves disagreement over what the best vehicle for social justice is, the government or private individuals and charities.

Moral relativism on the left is a bit annoying, but so is fascism on the right, so pick your poison.

Now I don't like Hillary one bit, but oh heck yes I'd rather have her over Trump. He's been a disaster for the country, a terrible example for kids. Opposite of being a conservative in just about every way there is.

Don't get me wrong, if I had it my way I'd much rather have any of the Republicans in the primary. I was rooting for Kasich.

Yeah, I liked Kasich.

Honestly, he was the only candidate on the GOP side that seemed like a Christian instead of a sociopath so I really appreciated him for that, and I was technically not even a theist during the primaries.

 

[Not me]

Don't be ridiculous. Assuming that conservatives do not actually think that the poor are a drain on society and ought to fend for themselves (super Christ-like, that), one of the major differences between liberals and conservatives involves disagreement over what the best vehicle for social justice is, the government or private individuals and charities.

Moral relativism on the left is a bit annoying, but so is fascism on the right, so pick your poison.



Yeah, I liked Kasich.

Honestly, he was the only candidate on the GOP side that seemed like a Christian instead of a sociopath so I really appreciated him for that, and I was technically not even a theist during the primaries.

The names gave it away to me “conservative” means to conserve.

“Liberal” means to be liberated.

Seems pretty basic to me. Liberals want to be liberated from that which conservatives what to conserve. Question is, what is that? I propose it’s the definition of “right and wrong”

Ps, Social justice is just another word for stealing.

Not me

 

[Silmarien]

The names gave it away to me “conservative” means to conserve.

“Liberal” means to be liberated.

Seems pretty basic to me. Liberals want to be liberated from that which conservatives what to conserve. Question is, what is that? I propose it’s the definition of “right and wrong”

Ps, Social justice is just another word for stealing.

Not me

I mean social justice more broadly. Do you not believe in helping the poor? If not, you might want to reconsider who is and isn't trying to do away with Christian notions of right and wrong.

Again, the question is what is the best way to help people who need help. Conservatives tend to think that private organizations are a better vehicle, whereas liberals think the government ought to be involved. And social welfare is not theft, unless you think taxation is theft. If that's the case, reread Romans 13:1–7.

Seriously, the debate between liberalism and conservativism does not in and of itself have anything to do with right and wrong. You can get theological movements that are pretty heavy in political liberalism--this was the case in a lot of 20th century French Catholic thought. And then you can get the fascists and the Marxists.

 

[dgiharris]

I picture the US like the Titanic. Conservatives move the ship right, Liberals move the ship left. As the nation travels through time there will be instances were the ship will need to steer right and instances where the ship will need to steer left. BOTH PARTIES ARE NEEDED.

However, both parties have been hijacked. The powers that be of each party use hate, anger, and fear to control their party. Both parties appeal to the tribalism that is so firmly rooted within the fabric of our monkey brains. And so, the divisions between left and right are how the powers that be maintain control.

This thread isn't even beyond one page and "already" we have the "I'm good and you are bad" rhetoric that prevents real discourse and conversation.

If I were ISIS or any terrorist organization, I would make sure we did NOT attack the US. You see, the only time the US unites is against an external threat. So if I were ISIS or any organization that wished to harm the US, i'd simply make sure the US was left alone. Because without a common enemy, the US simply tears itself apart.

 

[SolomonVII]

The liberals want to be liberated from that which the conservatives want to conserve. And what is that;

The definition of right and wrong.

in Christ, Not me

I think that there is some truth in that. Looking at it in a slightly different way, Dennis Prager asks why the one constant in human history from the time of the pharaohs until the Shoah and beyond, is anti-Semitism, and posits the reason that people hate the Jews is because they have introduced the world to God who expects moral behavior from his people.
Nietzche muses something to the effect that it is nigh impossible to believe in God without wanting to be God. The moment that Pharaoh sinned was well into the plagues when he finally recognized that God was supreme, and he was not; and he hated God for being above him and showing that the source f right and wrong was outside of his own wants and desires.
Most certainly, those with authority abuse authority. The Pharoah abused his. did he not? Rules, by their nature, are oppressive. Freedom is a Biblical value too, and those in authority can be evil.
So is it oppressive evil of the prototypical Nazi that liberals want to be liberated from, or the authority of God?

The litmus test, I think, is abortion. When the oppressive evil that liberals balk against comes in the form of a baby, then the jig is up as far as that goes.

 

[Not me]

I mean social justice more broadly. Do you not believe in helping the poor? If not, you might want to reconsider who is and isn't trying to do away with Christian notions of right and wrong.

Again, the question is what is the best way to help people who need help. Conservatives tend to think that private organizations are a better vehicle, whereas liberals think the government ought to be involved. And social welfare is not theft, unless you think taxation is theft. If that's the case, reread Romans 13:1–7.

Seriously, the debate between liberalism and conservativism does not in and of itself have anything to do with right and wrong. You can get theological movements that are pretty heavy in political liberalism--this was the case in a lot of 20th century French Catholic thought. And then you can get the fascists and the Marxists.

I for one, do not believe a person is their brothers “meal ticket.”
But I do believe we are there to help them “do right” and if they refuse to “do right,” we allow them to reap the consequences of their actions. This is the “keeping” one person owes another.

in Christ, Not me

 

[Not me]

I think that there is some truth in that. Looking at it in a slightly different way, Dennis Prager asks why the one constant in human history from the time of the pharaohs until the Shoah and beyond, is anti-Semitism, and posits the reason that people hate the Jews is because they have introduced the world to God who expects moral behavior from his people.
Nietzche muses something to the effect that it is nigh impossible to believe in God without wanting to be God. The moment that Pharaoh sinned was well into the plagues when he finally recognized that God was supreme, and he was not; and he hated God for being above him and showing that the source f right and wrong was outside of his own wants and desires.
Most certainly, those with authority abuse authority. The Pharoah abused his. did he not? Rules, by their nature, are oppressive. Freedom is a Biblical value too, and those in authority can be evil.
So is it oppressive evil of the prototypical Nazi that liberals want to be liberated from, or the authority of God?

The litmus test, I think, is abortion. When the oppressive evil that liberals balk against comes in the form of a baby, then the jig is up as far as that goes.

I think you are right concerning the Jews. They are hated as a people because God used them
to bring the definition of righteousness to the world. It’s not so much that the Jews are hated for themselves, but for what they bought to the world. The definition of righteousness. It is righteousness that is hated.

in Christ, Not me

 

[Zoii]

I see it as just opposite, I see we are in the situation we are in because, we HAVE compromised with evil. Stop compromising with evil, is the only way out of the darkness that we’re in. For doing righteousness for it’s own sake, is the only thing that will fix society’s problems.

in Christ, Not me

what you dont seem to realise is that by you hanging onto that good/evil rhetoric, is that you too are evil - 50% of the population will be democrats who think you are wrong and therefore that makes you evil by the terms of you're own paradigm. You're leaving no room to listen to the other side and no indication that you are interested in their needs or willing to help half of the people of the USA. If thats true then they are right - You are evil.

 

[Strathos]

Liberal = more concerned with equality and justice

Conservative = More concerned with purity and tradition