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<blockquote data-quote="dc87" data-source="post: 72054205" data-attributes="member: 393991"><p>I can feel and experience and see the creation of God. Not Jesus - or I should say... creation speaks to the existence of God... it does not speak of God paying for my evilness.</p><p></p><p>John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."</p><p></p><p>the word "...in <strong><u>him</u></strong> should..." is <strong>αὐτὸν </strong>[ <a href="http://biblehub.com/text/john/3-16.htm" target="_blank">John 3:16 Greek Text Analysis</a> ]</p><p>which is used to refer to both God and man alike, therefore I do not know if it is referring to God himself or another entity.</p><p></p><p>Then the next verse seems to make a distinction [ <a href="http://biblehub.com/text/john/3-17.htm" target="_blank">John 3:17 Greek Text Analysis</a> ] between God and the Son. Also see 1 John 5:10, John 6:40, 1 John 4:15, John 6:29...</p><p></p><p>If there is not a distinction then I could simply paraphrase "For God so loved the world, that he gave Himself, that whosoever believeth in God should not perish, but have everlasting life."</p><p></p><p>Or in the case of 1 John 4:15 a paraphrase "If anyone acknowledges that God is God, God lives in them and they in God."</p><p>John 6:29 "The work of God is this: to believe in God who God has sent."</p><p></p><p>Now THIS would make sense... and by this everyone who believes in God is saved including all the Orthodox Jews and pretty much anyone who acknowledges his Creator. But is this case? The verses seem to try to make a stark distinction. Also, according to most Christians and churches, make a distinction as well saying that those who do not believe on JESUS (a distinction from a Creator in general) is not saved.</p><p></p><p>Therefore there needs to be a confirmation in nature or life in general for one to believe in this distinguished part of God (this "Jesus") that is not readily apparent. Otherwise it is going to be difficult for me to attain a first hand acquaintance with Someone other than what is referred to in the Old Testament (and what all orthodox Jews believe in) as God.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Exactly which is why I know I believe in the God of the Old Testament. Not sure about the new. I don't rightly know of this Holy Spirit.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Because I was baptized. Didn't have any affect as far as I can tell.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>.... faith in what? God who many across the world and different "religions" believe in ... or a separate entity? An entity that makes Christians more special and have a place in heaven... other than say buddhists and possibly muslims who also believe and respect an all powerful Creator but do not happen to believe in a special Trinity.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dc87, post: 72054205, member: 393991"] I can feel and experience and see the creation of God. Not Jesus - or I should say... creation speaks to the existence of God... it does not speak of God paying for my evilness. John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." the word "...in [B][U]him[/U][/B] should..." is [B]αὐτὸν [/B][ [URL="http://biblehub.com/text/john/3-16.htm"]John 3:16 Greek Text Analysis[/URL] ] which is used to refer to both God and man alike, therefore I do not know if it is referring to God himself or another entity. Then the next verse seems to make a distinction [ [URL="http://biblehub.com/text/john/3-17.htm"]John 3:17 Greek Text Analysis[/URL] ] between God and the Son. Also see 1 John 5:10, John 6:40, 1 John 4:15, John 6:29... If there is not a distinction then I could simply paraphrase "For God so loved the world, that he gave Himself, that whosoever believeth in God should not perish, but have everlasting life." Or in the case of 1 John 4:15 a paraphrase "If anyone acknowledges that God is God, God lives in them and they in God." John 6:29 "The work of God is this: to believe in God who God has sent." Now THIS would make sense... and by this everyone who believes in God is saved including all the Orthodox Jews and pretty much anyone who acknowledges his Creator. But is this case? The verses seem to try to make a stark distinction. Also, according to most Christians and churches, make a distinction as well saying that those who do not believe on JESUS (a distinction from a Creator in general) is not saved. Therefore there needs to be a confirmation in nature or life in general for one to believe in this distinguished part of God (this "Jesus") that is not readily apparent. Otherwise it is going to be difficult for me to attain a first hand acquaintance with Someone other than what is referred to in the Old Testament (and what all orthodox Jews believe in) as God. Exactly which is why I know I believe in the God of the Old Testament. Not sure about the new. I don't rightly know of this Holy Spirit. Because I was baptized. Didn't have any affect as far as I can tell. .... faith in what? God who many across the world and different "religions" believe in ... or a separate entity? An entity that makes Christians more special and have a place in heaven... other than say buddhists and possibly muslims who also believe and respect an all powerful Creator but do not happen to believe in a special Trinity. [/QUOTE]
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