Did Y'shua need faith?

[By Grace]

That probably sounds like a really weird question. The thing is, there have been, are, and most likely will continue to be many areas in my life where I just can't see the big picture. For example, when we were trying so hard to get pregnant the first time, I had so many doubts about whether G-d was really going to take care of us. If I, today, could go back to talk to myself of 5 years ago, I would tell myself about how it all turned out so well and that I would have two beautiful little girls that are more precious to me than life itself. Then myself-of-5-years-ago could rest in the knowledge that I didn't need to worry because G-d's plan was good. It would have been so much easier to accept where I was at that moment, even though things weren't happening exactly the way I wanted them to, just because I would know everything would turn out well in the end.

So today I'm struggling with different issues. It's hard to have peace with where I am now without knowing how G-d will make it all turn out. I know He will take care of me, but what does that mean? I realize that faith in G-d comes from trusting Him even when I don't know what will happen, but did Y'shua ever have to deal with that? Or did He always know what would happen? He was fully G-d; could He live in ignorance of the future and also be fully G-d? Did He have to rely on faith to get Him through, or did He have an awareness of the bigger picture so that faith was, essentially, unnecessary? I know He had to trust G-d, and choose G-d's will over His own, but was He choosing G-d's will while also knowing what that will was, or did He choose G-d's will in blind faith?

Okay, so much for this "deep thought." I have another question, but I'll start a different thread. Thanks for any input!

 

[Yasatora]

Yeshua lived by faith
His daily bread was the Word of God
He was baptised by water immersion, and by the Spirit of God
He was in all things tempted as we are but did not sin

 

[mjterry87]

I seem to remember something. In the Passion Yeshua is praying and crying because in the garden of Getasme (I did not spell that right), and wanting to do it a different way, right? He was scared, because he knew how much it would hurt. He knew that he had to do it, but he was scared.

 

[The Thadman]

Paul said that we should strive to have the faith of Jesus, so I'd assume that it was {edit} strong. ... er... Salvation strong? .. Not feeling that either....

Er.... the programmer in me thinks "how about":

while (true) {
echo "REALLY ";
}
echo "strong!";

Peace!
-Steve-o

 

[Yasatora]

Did Yeshua need faith?

...hmmmm..let me think about that for a moment?

The Living breathing Torah need faith?
Is not faith the spiritual walk where the eyes can not see, the ears can not hear except if it is seen and heard by the spirit? ahhhhhaaaaa

I believe that Yeshua was living faith as God would want us all to live it.

 

[By Grace]

The Living breathing Torah need faith?
Is not faith the spiritual walk where the eyes can not see, the ears can not hear except if it is seen and heard by the spirit? ahhhhhaaaaa

Wouldn't His spirit have seen and heard all, even when He was on the earth? So would He have needed faith, since He already knew what would happen and why it needed to happen? For Him, there was no unknown. Can you have faith without ignorance?

 

[Sephania]

Yeshua lived by faith --
Y'shua lived by obedience
His daily bread was the Word of God--
His daily bread was what everyone else ate, because he IS the bread of life, and as well he is the Word of G-d.
He was baptised by water immersion, and by the Spirit of God--
He was immersed in a ritual cleansing, in obedience to Torah and preparation for his public ministry, and then filled with the Ruach HaKodesh.
He was in all things tempted as we are but did not sin.
I don't believe he could be tempted, he was, but temptation means being enticed or allured into doing something that is stupid or wrong - wrong, against the truth of G-d. A man cannot be divided against himself.

Why was HaSatan allowed to take him on, one on one for forty days? No distractions, yet no witnesses either, but G-d in heaven and the angels of course. What we are tempted with every day comes from this very source, but I believe that this would have "slowed him down" so to speak if this were allowed each and every day. That is why I think the forty days were allowed and no more, so he could do what he needed to do. HaSatan had his chance, pulled out his best tricks and Y'shua didn't hesitate, but rebuked him with his own words.

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[Sephania]

That probably sounds like a really weird question. The thing is, there have been, are, and most likely will continue to be many areas in my life where I just can't see the big picture. For example, when we were trying so hard to get pregnant the first time, I had so many doubts about whether G-d was really going to take care of us. If I, today, could go back to talk to myself of 5 years ago, I would tell myself about how it all turned out so well and that I would have two beautiful little girls that are more precious to me than life itself. Then myself-of-5-years-ago could rest in the knowledge that I didn't need to worry because G-d's plan was good. It would have been so much easier to accept where I was at that moment, even though things weren't happening exactly the way I wanted them to, just because I would know everything would turn out well in the end.

If you knew what would happen, that wouldn't be faith, but fact. You would be trusting in something (knowledge) instead of someone ( HaShem). True faith would have seen you planning a nursery, buying diapers,outfits, blankets, photo albums, starting a college fund, etc. These would have been outward signs of your faith. Instead you used that time to worry and wonder and probably say to many people that you were praying to G-d and hoping that he would answer your pray. A few readings of Abraham and Sarah should have given you a great example of faith and a long wait. I do hope you are spending every time you see that little wonder in blessing HaShem and thanking him for not making you wait till you were 90! And that you learned from this and will apply it to future and present situations, because he expects us to learn from these things, to grow in our faith, which means to trust quicker and more easily the next time the unknown presents itself. Look forward to those times you can witness to the world of his existance by your faith in what he WILL Do, by always remembering what he has already done!

 

[By Grace]

If you knew what would happen, that wouldn't be faith, but fact.

I think that's the point of the question I'm asking about Y'shua. He DID know what would happen. So did He need or use faith?

You would be trusting in something (knowledge) instead of someone ( HaShem). True faith would have seen you planning a nursery, buying diapers,outfits, blankets, photo albums, starting a college fund, etc. These would have been outward signs of your faith. Instead you used that time to worry and wonder and probably say to many people that you were praying to G-d and hoping that he would answer your pray.

Actually, I did both! I bought some used nursery furniture from the friend of a friend and frequently shopped for baby clothes from the clearance racks. I read every pregnancy book I could get a hold of. We even picked out a name for our first daughter about a year before she was actually conceived.

A few readings of Abraham and Sarah should have given you a great example of faith and a long wait. I do hope you are spending every time you see that little wonder in blessing HaShem and thanking him for not making you wait till you were 90! And that you learned from this and will apply it to future and present situations, because he expects us to learn from these things, to grow in our faith, which means to trust quicker and more easily the next time the unknown presents itself. Look forward to those times you can witness to the world of his existance by your faith in what he WILL Do, by always remembering what he has already done!

I read about Sarah, Hannah, and Rachel many times. I also read several Christian books about how to put my faith in G-d and wait on His timing. But that doesn't mean there weren't times when I also worried a lot and even fell on my face in prayer begging that He either give me a child or remove the desire from my heart. I can't tell you how many tears I cried during my brush with infertility. G-d has a sense of humor, though. One of the things I prayed about was how empty my arms felt without a baby to care for. Now, both of my children have been the kind of baby who never wants to be put down! My arms have never been so sore in my entire life!

I'm trying to remember what G-d has done, and even just yesterday evening I saw some progress on one of the main issues that is concerning me right now. I think I was mostly just wondering if Y'shua ever felt that sense of stepping blindly into the darkness and having only your trust in G-d's will for you to see you through. Y'shua knew what G-d's will was, but I don't!

Thanks, everyone!

 

[Sephania]

I guess, be careful what you wish ( pray) for, huh? I have wanted a daughter for 30 years and I still have none, but I figure if it is right for me the L-RD will provide.

 

[By Grace]

I guess, be careful what you wish ( pray) for, huh? I have wanted a daughter for 30 years and I still have none, but I figure if it is right for me the L-RD will provide.

Boy, did I learn this the hard way! With my 2nd pregnancy, I didn't want an epidural or any other medical intervention, like pitocin. So I prayed that I would have the baby "with no medical intervention." When the baby was born, she came so quickly we didn't even get out of the house, much less make it to the hospital in time. She came even before the paramedics arrived! I hadn't meant to ask for "no medical personnel present", but that's what I got! My husband (who never took in biology in high school b/c he didn't like blood and guts and stuff ) had to deliver her. With our first baby, he never even wanted to be in the room or cut the cord. But he ended up 'catching' the second one! Ever since, I've tried to put a lot of thought into what I pray for!