Did they find Noah's Ark?

[laptoppop]

There have been various claims over the years. Here is an interesting report from a recent expedition. Lots of photos. Apparently they have now tested at least one of the "rocks" and confirmed it as fossilized wood. In one description they call it "aircraft carrier sized".

www.arkfever.com


-lee-

 

[charityagape]

I don't know if they've found it or not, its been claimed before. I do have a purely curious academic question though, the article claims the ark was found on a peak 13,120 feet above sea level.

Now hypothetically suppose this is the ark, or a ship anyway, is there anyway for it to have gotten there (any logical way) other than a flood that went above the peak and could a localized flood have reached 13,120 feet above sea level?

 

[shernren]

Here's a good discussion, though I doubt it will be balanced the way you'd like it to be:

http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=12&t=423&m=1

 

[Mallon]

How many times have they found the ark now? 4? 5? I think the more important question is how many arks did Noah build?

 

[laptoppop]

Now hypothetically suppose this is the ark, or a ship anyway, is there anyway for it to have gotten there (any logical way) other than a flood that went above the peak and could a localized flood have reached 13,120 feet above sea level?

I doubt a localized flood could reach that high, *but* the mountain could have uplifted since the boat was landed. Seems like that is the stock answer for many "embarassing" bits of data, like seashells on tops of mountains, "overthrusts", "underthrusts", tilting formations, etc., that I think are often much better explained by a global flood.
-lee-

 

[jereth]

Now hypothetically suppose this is the ark, or a ship anyway, is there anyway for it to have gotten there (any logical way) other than a flood that went above the peak and could a localized flood have reached 13,120 feet above sea level?

Easy. Don't you believe that God can perform miracles? He did part the Red Sea and raise Jesus from the dead, after all.

God simply created a miraculous force field around the local flood, so that the water rose up to 13 thousand feet without spilling over into the rest of the world. At the end of the flood, God released the force field so that the waters flowed out and the level dropped back to normal.

 

[RealityCheck]

Easy. Don't you believe that God can perform miracles? He did part the Red Sea and raise Jesus from the dead, after all.

God simply created a miraculous force field around the local flood, so that the water rose up to 13 thousand feet without spilling over into the rest of the world. At the end of the flood, God released the force field so that the waters flowed out and the level dropped back to normal.

You moron. Don't you know that God miraculously blew on the waters so that they left the earth entirely and formed the ice rings around Pluto?

(oops - forgot those darned sarcasm tags!)

 

[nathans1987]

rofl jereth u a funny man watching to much stargate. i want them to find it how good would that be lol and these smilies are the best!

oh and to your question did they find it. who ever said it was lost i know it is there. noah didnt have rac back then :S

 

[nathans1987]

i need 200 blessings befor i get a personal pic hmmm. thread hijacked! lol soz

 

[cobweb]

Got fooled by Ron Wyatt as a teen. That's not happening again.

I'll wait until it is in Archaeology Magazine. I'm sure they'll be on the cover of every publication in the field if it is legit. They better have some very solid evidence (not to mention a better explanation as to why there is no geologic evidence of a world-wide flood).

I'm not holding my breath.

 

[laptoppop]

I'll wait until it is in Archaeology Magazine. I'm sure they'll be on the cover of every publication in the field if it is legit. They better have some very solid evidence.

Sounds wise. That's why I didn't post it as "they found it!" but rather as an interesting topic for discussion. One interesting thing I read (but have not confirmed) was that Josh McDowell was part of the expedition. My wife got saved after hearing him talk at Cal State Long Beach -- so I'm forever in his debt.

(not to mention a better explanation as to why there is no geologic evidence of a world-wide flood).

Of course, some of us believe the geologic column is BETTER explained by a global flood than by hundreds (if not thousands) of local events.
-lee-

 

[Mallon]

Of course, some of us believe the geologic column is BETTER explained by a global flood than by hundreds (if not thousands) of local events.
-lee-

Including variable chalk deposits, trace fossils, and layered fossil forest horizons?

 

[laptoppop]

Including variable chalk deposits, trace fossils, and layered fossil forest horizons?

Yes. (of course we're way off-topic, but I started the thread and its a "lightweight" thread, so I hope no one will mind )

How do any of those pose any problem for postulating a geologic column *primarily* formed through a flood?

-lee-

 

[Mallon]

How do any of those pose any problem for postulating a geologic column *primarily* formed through a flood?

The fact that they are found *throughout* the geologic column, and thus no majority of the rock record could have been deposited by a single flood.

 

[steen]

Sounds wise. That's why I didn't post it as "they found it!" but rather as an interesting topic for discussion. One interesting thing I read (but have not confirmed) was that Josh McDowell was part of the expedition. My wife got saved after hearing him talk at Cal State Long Beach -- so I'm forever in his debt.

So now you will buy his book and in other ways enrich his coffers when he lies to you about this? Nice racket these people got going for them

Of course, some of us believe the geologic column is BETTER explained by a global flood than by hundreds (if not thousands) of local events.
-lee-

Sure. Obviously, you BELIEVE this. That the direct evidence speaks against your belief have little relevance, of course.

 

[laptoppop]

So now you will buy his book and in other ways enrich his coffers when he lies to you about this? Nice racket these people got going for them

Excuse me, but that's way over the line. Have you ever even heard of Josh McDowell? What evidence do you have to call him a congenital liar? Because you think he might not agree with you about Noah's ark? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_McDowell) Nice try to slap down someone I suspect you've never even heard of with your academic elitism. It advances nothing for a TE to appeal to academic elitism just as it advances nothing for a YEC to say that others just don't believe the Bible.
-lee-

 

[laptoppop]

The fact that they are found *throughout* the geologic column, and thus no majority of the rock record could have been deposited by a single flood.

Just because there was a single global flood does not imply in any way that the deposition of material was consistent. Depending on dissolved content, temperature, flow, and other factors, the rate of deposition varies, or even becomes erosion.
-lee-

 

[Mallon]

Just because there was a single global flood does not imply in any way that the deposition of material was consistent. Depending on dissolved content, temperature, flow, and other factors, the rate of deposition varies, or even becomes erosion.

Are you just saying that to support your conclusion, or do you have impirical evidence to back your claim?

 

[steen]

Excuse me, but that's way over the line. Have you ever even heard of Josh McDowell?

Nothing on the link you provided showed anything about the Ark, so I am not quite sure what your argument is here?

 

[laptoppop]

Are you just saying that to support your conclusion, or do you have impirical evidence to back your claim?

Its basic sedimentation from dissolved solids in water. There are a variety of factors which affect the sedimentation rate. For example, see http://[SIZE=-1]ecosystems.mbl.edu/Tide/contact/mac_lee_tide.doc[/SIZE]

Additionally, a *local* flood is a turbulent mess, with different conditions in different areas. Why should we think a global flood would be any better? If anything it would be worse, and given the scale of the event, we would expect more variation, not less.
-lee-