Did the pope really say that?

[RandyPNW]

Trump-hating Pope now wants to baptize transgenders if it doesn't cause scandal?

You have got to be kidding!
MSN

 

[zippy2006]

According to the source transgenders can be baptized and they can be refused baptism. It depends on the situation. Seems right. And by "transgender" is meant "an adult [who] has undergone hormone treatment and gender reassignment surgery." It is a physical description, not an ideological description. Many who undergo such horrendous surgeries repent.

(source)

 

[eleos1954]

Trump-hating Pope now wants to baptize transgenders if it doesn't cause scandal?

You have got to be kidding!
MSN

Catholic church has gone off the rails .... in apostasy (others as well) .... have no idea how people can continue to support the Catholic church ... or any church that goes against biblical principles of the Word of God.

Outside of one man ... one woman (as God created) is an abomination to the Lord ... sin ... one can be forgiven and choose to turn away from it ... but if they continue in it ... it is an abomination.

if it doesn't cause scandal?

Already is and has.

 

[zippy2006]

or any church that goes against biblical principles of the Word of God.

So if someone undergoes hormone treatment, has gender reassignment surgery, repents, converts, and asks to be baptized, would you baptize them?

 

[HIM]

So if someone undergoes hormone treatment, has gender reassignment surgery, repents, converts, and asks to be baptized, would you baptize them?

In a heartbeat

 

[Der Alte]

So if someone undergoes hormone treatment, has gender reassignment surgery, repents, converts, and asks to be baptized, would you baptize them?

I would consider it. But my view of transgender is only if a person somehow has their DNA changed.

 

[eleos1954]

So if someone undergoes hormone treatment, has gender reassignment surgery, repents, converts, and asks to be baptized, would you baptize them?

Sex hormones are in every cell of one's body .... that can not be changed. The biblical teaching is male/female assigned at birth as originally created by God. For one to repent they would need to repent of their thinking of transgenderism and accept male/female as taught in the Word of God.

Jesus said: "From the beginning of creation, God made them male and female. For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh. So they are no longer two but one flesh.

In days of old there were eunuch (male castration) some try and use this as it being biblically OK for transgenderism ...

However, In the Bible eunuchs do not form an exception to the biological distinction between men and women. This is because the term eunuch refers to men who for some reason lack sexual capacity (and are therefore incapable of entering into marriage) . . . the welcome extended to eunuchs in Isaiah 56:1-5, Matthew 19:10-12 and Acts 8:26-40 cannot be understood as biblical support for those who are transgendered because the eunuchs referred to in the Bible were not transgendered.

Again ... changing one's body physically and/or chemically does not change their sex hormones.

So, if they deny (not accept as truth) their transgenderism and accept male/female then yes they can be baptized.

The pope largely teaches humanism (the common good) not Christianity.

The common good ...

The Catechism, following Pope John XXIII in Mater et Magistra and Vatican II, defines the common good as: “the sum total of social conditions which allow people, either as groups or as individuals, to reach their fulfillment more fully and more easily.”

No ... it's about Jesus and ones relationship with Him ... not social conditions.

It also should be noted ... baptism is not a requirement.

 

[zippy2006]

So, if they deny (not accept as truth) their transgenderism and accept male/female then yes they can be baptized.

Then you agree with Pope Francis. You think that transgender persons can be baptized in certain circumstances.

 

[RandyPNW]

So if someone undergoes hormone treatment, has gender reassignment surgery, repents, converts, and asks to be baptized, would you baptize them?

Repentance means a turning back from the sin. If the sin is to pursue being the opposite gender, then repentance is to return to the original gender.

 

[eleos1954]

Then you agree with Pope Francis. You think that transgender persons can be baptized in certain circumstances.

Well yes and No ... the Catholic system believes being baptized is a requirement for salvation. This is not so.

Also the Catholic church baptizes Before confession (before repenting). Also teaches they themselves can forgive sins (in lieu of going directly to Jesus). This is not supported biblically.

Again ... if a transgender person acknowledges male/female as God created ... they will be forgiven ... and if they choose to be baptized after repenting of this and other sins ... then baptism should be allowed. They can't continue in their mindset of transgenderism as being acceptable to the Lord. Transgenderism is not believing God's original creation .. of male and female and how the reproduction system works.

The Catholic system has many beliefs and practices that do not align with scripture and I do not agree with a lot of it.

Jesus said: "From the beginning of creation, God made them male and female. For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh. So they are no longer two but one flesh.

If one doesn't believe this one as truth then one is buying into a lie both biblically and scientifically. Totally delusional (false belief)

Praying people will come to know the truth. Amen

 

[zippy2006]

So I said that you agree with Pope Francis insofar as, "You think that transgender persons can be baptized in certain circumstances." This is "my point," and it is the topic of this thread.

Well yes and No ... the Catholic system believes being baptized is a requirement for salvation.

This is irrelevant to "my point," and to the topic of the thread. You agree with Pope Francis that a transgender person can repent, be baptized, and be saved, whether or not you believe that baptism accompanies salvation.

Also the Catholic church baptizes Before confession (before repenting).

Before sacramental confession, but not before repenting. Baptism presupposes repentance.

Also teaches they themselves can forgive sins (in lieu of going directly to Jesus).

This is irrelevant to my point and the topic of the thread.

Again ... if a transgender person acknowledges male/female as God created ... they will be forgiven ... and if they choose to be baptized after repenting of this and other sins ... then baptism should be allowed.

Right. So again, you accept their baptism in certain circumstances.

Praying people will come to know the truth. Amen