The idea of billions of years for the age of the universe came about through sciences like geology and cosmology. In all honesty, the theory of evolution can be understood without worrying about the age of the universe.
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The idea of billions of years for the age of the universe came about through sciences like geology and cosmology. In all honesty, the theory of evolution can be understood without worrying about the age of the universe.My single biggest [natural] obstacle to believing in evolution is the amount of time evolution requires to have brought this universe to where it is today.
Evolution doesn't effect the universe at all. Just what did you think evolution was? Perhaps we should start there. How would you define evolution?My single biggest [natural] obstacle to believing in evolution is the amount of time evolution requires to have brought this universe to where it is today.
Scripture doesn't really contradict evolution at all.... it speaks allegorically about what the entity (God) did, but is it not true that God can choose any means to create that God wishes?
I'm not asking you to believe it. Only understand it.
I feel I have a fairly good understanding of YEC, but I do not believe that it is accurate.
The expression, "God moves in mysterious ways," long part of our collective unconscious expression, is immutable proof of the allegorical (i.e. indirect, i.e. mysterious) nature of all things touching upon the nature or acts of God!! Perhaps the Bible references potentialities, my friend, for God became a Universe with the potential to include all of those things from the moment of the Big Bang, and the order in which they arrived therefrom is not important.... or perhaps plants came into existence elsewhere in the Universe many billions of years ago, before our sun acheived its current state, and was thus properly called the sun!!No it doesn't speak allegorically about what God did --- it speaks literally.
And even if it was allegory, it would be poor allegory.
- The allegorical earth before the allegorical sun?
- The allegorical plants before the allegorical sun?
Then why are you here?Once again, it's not my bag.
I'm not sure it is, either, as I don't know what all they believe in - but I'm not here to refute YEC, OEC, or GAP.
The expression, "God moves in mysterious ways," long part of our collective unconscious expression, is immutable proof of the allegorical (i.e. indirect, i.e. mysterious) nature of all things touching upon the nature or acts of God!! Perhaps the Bible references potentialities, my friend, for God became a Universe with the potential to include all of those things from the moment of the Big Bang, and the order in which they arrived therefrom is not important.... or perhaps plants came into existence elsewhere in the Universe many billions of years ago, before our sun acheived its current state, and was thus properly called the sun!!
//// Pacific PanDeist
Understanding things isn't your bag? But criticizing things you don't know about is? Some people call that hypocrisy.Pesto said:I'm not asking you to believe it. Only understand it.Once again, it's not my bag.
Then why are you here?
Understanding things isn't your bag? But criticizing things you don't know about is? Some people call that hypocrisy.
You post in this forum to "Fullfill the Great Commission?"Fulfilling the Great Commission.
You post in this forum to "Fullfill the Great Commission?"
What exactly is "the Great Commission?"
No supercession, only clarification -- the facts (immutable and measurable characteristics of stars) show the Universe to be expanding from a point of origin (the Big Bang) which occurred many billions of years ago, and the facts (immutable and measurable characteristics of the Earth and of fossils) show evolution to have occurred for hundreds of millions of years on Earth -- the Bible must be understood to reference these processes.... unless you believe that God, in creating the immutable and measurable characteristics of the stars and of the Earth and of fossils, was lying to us.... and at the same time, using a less brilliant mechanism than the wonderd of physics and biology!!1. The Collective Unconscious is in a fallen state.
2. 'God moves in mysterious ways' is nothing more than a simplified verbal expression of how God operates within His creation, and is not meant to supersede what He had put down in writing.
Your Bible quotes will be irrelevant to this discussion. There is a reason why most evolutionists are Christian, and most Christians are evolutionists, and don't forget that some of our leading evolutionary scientists are also members of Christian clergy. Now, I'm still waiting for your answers to my initial questions: Do you understand and accept what I have explained to you in post # 11? Or do you not? And if not, why not?Others call it "comparing spiritual things to spiritual" and "rightly dividing the Word of Truth".
I use the Word of God to fulfill 2 Timothy 3:16 ---
If you want to call that "criticizing", that's your prerogative.
- [bible]2 Timothy 3:16[/bible]
Well, AFAIK evolution doesn't go against anything that Jesus taught.
- [bible]Matthew 28:18-20[/bible]
Jesus taught me evolution!!Well, AFAIK evolution doesn't go against anything that Jesus taught.
the facts (immutable and measurable characteristics of stars) show the Universe to be expanding from a point of origin...
(the Big Bang) which occurred...
many billions of years ago...
and the facts (immutable and measurable characteristics of the Earth and of fossils) show evolution to have occurred for hundreds of millions of years on Earth ---
...the Bible must be understood to reference these processes...
...unless you believe that God, in creating the immutable and measurable characteristics of the stars and of the Earth and of fossils, was lying to us....
...and at the same time, using a less brilliant mechanism than the wonderd of physics and biology!!
Your Bible quotes will be irrelevant to this discussion.
There is a reason why most evolutionists are Christian, and most Christians are evolutionists, and don't forget that some of our leading evolutionary scientists are also members of Christian clergy.
Now, I'm still waiting for your answers to my initial questions: Do you understand and accept what I have explained to you in post # 11? Or do you not? And if not, why not?
Well, AFAIK evolution doesn't go against anything that Jesus taught.
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