Did Paul & Peter Preach Different Jesus'?

[s0journ3r]

What say you?

Yes or No answers, plz.

Yours truly in Christ,
sojourner

 

[GLJCA]

What say you?

Yes or No answers, plz.

Yours truly in Christ,
sojourner

No they did not. Neither did they preach a different gospel. I have asked the MAD people (no pun intended) to identify what gospel Jesus told His disciples to preach in Luke 24:46-47 but no one will answer my questions.

If it is the kingdom gospel then Paul preached the same thing in Acts 20:21 and 26:20.

If it is Paul's gospel then all of the disciples were preaching the same gospel.

They will not touch this.

You know what is even more amusing? Paul wrote the letter to the Corinthians while in Ephesus in Acts 18-20, which was before his speech to Agrippa, and his presentation of the gospel to the Ephesians, in which he told him what this heavenly vision gospel was, that he gave to Jew and Gentile.
20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and [then] to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

I really think they thought that the book of 1 Corinthians was written chronologically after the book of Acts. They didn't stop to find out that Paul's first letter to the Corinthians was written while the book of Acts was being played out.

GLJCA

 

[JM]

No.

 

[s0journ3r]

No they did not. Neither did they preach a different gospel. I have asked the MAD people (no pun intended) to identify what gospel Jesus told His disciples to preach in Luke 24:46-47 but no one will answer my questions.

If it is the kingdom gospel then Paul preached the same thing in Acts 20:21 and 26:20.

If it is Paul's gospel then all of the disciples were preaching the same gospel.

They will not touch this.

You know what is even more amusing? Paul wrote the letter to the Corinthians while in Ephesus in Acts 18-20, which was before his speech to Agrippa, and his presentation of the gospel to the Ephesians, in which he told him what this heavenly vision gospel was, that he gave to Jew and Gentile.
20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and [then] to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

I really think they thought that the book of 1 Corinthians was written chronologically after the book of Acts. They didn't stop to find out that Paul's first letter to the Corinthians was written while the book of Acts was being played out.

GLJCA

Excellent points, GLJCA! You know, I recommended one poster here to actually do that. Read the Bible in chronological order because I think a lot of people just assume that the order of the books as they appear in our Bible today is the order in which they were written. And as you pointed out, that's certainly not the case. And it would do the "Mid-Acts" folks a good service to take your advise. I think a lot of their error is from reading the Bible the wrong way.

Thanks for another good post.

Yours truly in Christ,
sojourner

 

[BoughtByBlood]

Did Paul & Peter Preach Different Jesus's?

Absolutely not.

However, it is true that Paul never knew the earthly ministry of Jesus as Peter did. Saul of Tarsus did not recognize Christ as Lord until after the ascension of the risen Chris. And, further still, Peter was never recorded to have been caught up to the third heaven.

It is as though Peter and Paul experienced two separate ministries of Christ.

But it is the same Jesus Christ.


B[sup]3[/sup]

>>PS

Yes or No answers, plz.

My apologies for not giving a one-word answer. Your question deserves more than that.

 

[eph3Nine]

Did Paul & Peter Preach Different Jesus's?

Absolutely not.

However, it is true that Paul never knew the earthly ministry of Jesus as Peter did. Saul of Tarsus did not recognize Christ as Lord until after the ascension of the risen Chris. And, further still, Peter was never recorded to have been caught up to the third heaven.

It is as though Peter and Paul experienced two separate ministries of Christ.

But it is the same Jesus Christ.


B[sup]3[/sup]

>>PS

My apologies for not giving a one-word answer. Your question deserves more than that.

Amen...same Jesus...one in His earthly ministry, and one AFTER he was Risen and glorified.

Jesus Christ DID have a two fold ministry. One to the nation Israel and one to the Church, which is His body.

 

[timlamb]

Amen...same Jesus...one in His earthly ministry, and one AFTER he was Risen and glorified.

Jesus Christ DID have a two fold ministry. One to the nation Israel and one to the Church, which is His body.

What are you saying? Peter preached a risen Christ, that IS the gospel.

 

[BoughtByBlood]

What are you saying?

See my post, preceding his.

Peter preached a risen Christ, that IS the gospel.

No one is disputing that. At least, they ought not dispute it. Christ sacrificed and risen is the foundation, indeed the cap-stone, of the gospel of God, promised afore by the His prophets in holy writings (Romans 1:2).

 

[eph3Nine]

The gospel Peter preached had to do with Christ the PROPHESIED MESSIAH. They (the 12) didnt understand his death, burial and resurrection...scripture SAYS so in several places. Let me show you:

21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. 22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.


If Peter understood that Jesus was dying for their sins then why would he try to persuade Him NOT TO DO IT???

Heres some more:

Mark 9:31-32
31 For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day. 32 But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to ask him.

Luke 9:43-45 And they were all amazed at the mighty power of God. But while they wondered every one at all things which Jesus did, he said unto his disciples, 44 Let these sayings sink down into your ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men. 45 But they understood not this saying, and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying.

John 20:9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.

 

[timlamb]

The gospel Peter preached had to do with Christ the PROPHESIED MESSIAH. They (the 12) didnt understand his death, burial and resurrection...scripture SAYS so in several places. Let me show you:

21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. 22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.


If Peter understood that Jesus was dying for their sins then why would he try to persuade Him NOT TO DO IT???

Heres some more:

Mark 9:31-32
31 For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day. 32 But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to ask him.

Luke 9:43-45 And they were all amazed at the mighty power of God. But while they wondered every one at all things which Jesus did, he said unto his disciples, 44 Let these sayings sink down into your ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men. 45 But they understood not this saying, and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying.

John 20:9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.

All this scripture is about a time before the resurrection. The ministry of the eleven was after they recieved the Holy Spirit, and understood, and preached the Gospel of the risen Lord.

 

[timlamb]

See my post, preceding his.

No one is disputing that. At least, they ought not dispute it.

Eph3nine is disputing it.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

What say you?

Yes or No answers, plz.

Yours truly in Christ,
sojourner

No

 

[s0journ3r]

All this scripture is about a time before the resurrection. The ministry of the eleven was after they recieved the Holy Spirit, and understood, and preached the Gospel of the risen Lord.

Exactly. But, they see and interpret any Scripture that would otherwise refute their view, as referring to another "division" of Scripture. As a result, Scripture is not interpreted in its context or as a whole, but as fragmented divisions that applied only to certain times and places. It is difficult to argue with them since their premise of Biblical interpretation is flawed, and they rule out any passage that disagrees with their position, stating that it does not apply.

Yours truly in Christ,
sojourner

 

[timlamb]

Exactly. But, they see and interpret any Scripture that would otherwise refute their view, as referring to another "division" of Scripture. As a result, Scripture is not interpreted in its context or as a whole, but as fragmented divisions that applied only to certain times and places. It is difficult to argue with them since their premise of Biblical interpretation is flawed, and they rule out any passage that disagrees with their position, stating that it does not apply.

Yours truly in Christ,
sojourner

Astute obsevation, you are wise.

 

[jeffweeder]

NO
If they did you would have two gospels.
The whole people were looking to the fulfillment of Gods promises- They were looking for the figure foretold by the prophets, that would put man right with God.
Jesus was that figure, hence we have the gospel of Christ- Which is God's gospel, foretold to the prophets. They both preached the gospel- That Jesus is the "messiah" foretold by the prophets, this is the good news.

PETER = "These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled."
http://www.christianforums.com/45 Then He opened their minds[18][Lit mind ] to understand the Scriptures,
http://www.christianforums.com/46 and He said to them, "Thus it is written, that the Christ[19][I.e. Messiah] would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day,
http://www.christianforums.com/47 and that repentance for[20][Later mss read and forgiveness ] forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in[21][Or on the basis of ] His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
http://www.christianforums.com/48 "You are witnesses of these things.

PAUL =
ROMANS
http://www.christianforums.com/CHAPTER 1
http://www.christianforums.com/The Gospel Exalted
http://www.christianforums.com/1 Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called[1][Lit a called apostle ] as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God,
http://www.christianforums.com/2 which He promised beforehand through His prophets in the holy Scriptures,
http://www.christianforums.com/3 concerning His Son, who was born of a descendant[2][Lit seed ] of David according to the flesh,
http://www.christianforums.com/4 who was declared the Son of God with power by[3][Or as a result of ] the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit[4][Or spirit ] of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord,
http://www.christianforums.com/5 through whom we have received grace and apostleship to[5][Lit for obedience ] bring about the obedience of faith among all the Gentiles for His name's sake,
http://www.christianforums.com/6 among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;

Originally Posted by s0journ3r
What say you?

They both believe that Jesus is the Messiah-according to the prophets, so same Jesus and same Gospel.

 

[eph3Nine]

NO
If they did you would have two gospels.
The whole people were looking to the fulfillment of Gods promises- They were looking for the figure foretold by the prophets, that would put man right with God.
Jesus was that figure, hence we have the gospel of Christ- Which is God's gospel, foretold to the prophets. They both preached the gospel- That Jesus is the "messiah" foretold by the prophets, this is the good news.

The whole point of this thread is to PROVE that they did NOT preach the same thing. The poster seems intent on telling us his "opinion" about what the nation Israel expected however, scripture doesnt concur with his assumptions.

The gospel of Christ was NEVER foretold to the Prophets. (referring to the prophets of the OT)

That phrase isnt even USED in the four gospels, or by ANY of the twelve. PAUL IS the only one who used the words "GOSPEL OF CHRIST" and its for a good reason. THAT gospel was HID, kept secret by God UNTIL God revealed it to the due time testifier, Paul.

Here are the ONLY places where the Gospel of Christ is used and its certainly NOT in relation to the Church , which is His Body today!

The gospel of Christ NEVER mentions Christ as MESSIAH, but of Christ as HEAD OF THE BODY, which is but ONE of the many mystery truths given to PAUL, but NOT to Peter and the boys. They knew NOTHING of the formation of a BODY, as this was KEPT SECRET and HID IN GOD until God revealed it to a NEW APOSTLE for a NEW creation that had NOT BEEN IN EXISTANCE Before.

2 Cor. 4:4,Romans 1:19, Romans 15:19,29; Gal. 1:7; 1 Cor 9:12, 18; Phil. 1:27;2 Cor. 9:13 and 10:14, and 1 Thess. 3:2.

So...that debunks your FIRST comments as FALSE.

PETER = "These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled."
45 Then He opened their minds[18][Lit mind ] to understand the Scriptures,
46 and He said to them, "Thus it is written, that the Christ[19][I.e. Messiah] would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day,
47 and that repentance for[20][Later mss read and forgiveness ] forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in[21][Or on the basis of ] His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
48 "You are witnesses of these things.

Now to your second observations about the verse posted:

Of course He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures. What Scriptures were being referred to here? The only ones they HAD...the PROPHETIC scriptures...the OT. Of course the MESSIAH was being referred to ...that is who they were EXPECTING and REJECTED.

They (the Nation Israel) were offered forgiveness (according to THIS VERY verse) ACCORDING TO or on the basis of what?

The blood? NO. NO blood listed here.

The Cross? NO Cross listed here.

The death, burial and resurrection? NO, none of that here.

Lets be honest and see what it DOES say that Israels salvation was based ON , shall we? NOT from opinion but found right here in the verse. Salvation to the JEWS in times PAST was based "on HIS NAME to all the nations , beginning with Jerusalem."

His name to THEM, was the MESSIAH. And THEY were the ones that were required to BELIEVE it FIRST, BEFORE they could take this message to ANY other nations. THEY never believed it and they never took THIS gospel anywhere! Scripture verifies this.

This debunks your opinions here as well.

PAUL =
ROMANS
CHAPTER 1
The Gospel Exalted
1 Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called[1][Lit a called apostle ] as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God,
2 which He promised beforehand through His prophets in the holy Scriptures,
3 concerning His Son, who was born of a descendant[2][Lit seed ] of David according to the flesh,
4 who was declared the Son of God with power by[3][Or as a result of ] the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit[4][Or spirit ] of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord,
5 through whom we have received grace and apostleship to[5][Lit for obedience ] bring about the obedience of faith among all the Gentiles for His name's sake,
6 among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;

Now, here its speaking of the Gentiles...different gospel...Jesus Christ our LORD, faith of the GENTILES...Christ risen from the dead and the gospel given TO Paul is the MYSTERY that was HID from ages and generations (this includes from Peter and the boys )

Paul NEVER mentions a MESSIAH. He calls The RISEN Christ "the HEAD of the church, which is His BODY".

This phrase is again used ONLY by Paul as Paul is the ONLY One who preaches the purpose of the Cross and who tells us of the FORMATION of a heretofore NON EXISTANT entity...THE BODY OF CHRIST, with Christ as the HEAD.

NO MESSIAH here...he was ISRAELS MESSIAH...REJECTED.

They both believe that Jesus is the Messiah-according to the prophets, so same Jesus and same Gospel.

No, they DONT! You have assumed what simply ISNT THERE.

The Jews were REQUIRED to believe on His NAME as their PROMISED MESSIAH.

We , the body of Christ, are told to believe in the death, burial and resurrection of our REVEALED "HEAD". Not the same thing at all!


Until you ACKNOWLEDGE that there are indeed TWO different things being spoken of here, and stop trying to cram them all into ONE, there can be no more dialogue.

This IS the starting point.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

eph3nine;The gospel of Christ was NEVER foretold to the Prophets. (referring to the prophets of the OT)

That phrase isnt even USED in the four gospels, or by ANY of the twelve. PAUL IS the only one who used the words "GOSPEL OF CHRIST" and its for a good reason. THAT gospel was HID, kept secret by God UNTIL God revealed it to the due time testifier, Paul.

eph3nine,
Do you read the Scriptures for yourself -or do others tell you the these things which you write? -that is an honest question, as you do contradict the Word.

Mar 1:1,2 ¶The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
As it is written in the prophets
Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

 

[Apollos1]

Peter tells us the prophets knew salvation was coming, but didn’t know HOW or WHEN God would do this – 1 Peter 1:10-12.

Paul also stated (1 Cor. 2:6-13) that no one knew this hidden wisdom/mystery of God UNTIL the HS revealed it. When – Acts 2. How – the Holy Spirit !

And “all truth” came to show man the way to the salvation planned for him from before the foundation of the world. How truly marvelous!

 

[eph3Nine]

The whole point of this thread is to PROVE that they did NOT preach the same thing. The poster seems intent on telling us his "opinion" about what the nation Israel expected however, scripture doesnt concur with his assumptions.

The gospel of Christ was NEVER foretold to the Prophets. (referring to the prophets of the OT)

That phrase isnt even USED in the four gospels, or by ANY of the twelve. PAUL IS the only one who used the words "GOSPEL OF CHRIST" and its for a good reason. THAT gospel was HID, kept secret by God UNTIL God revealed it to the due time testifier, Paul.

Here are the ONLY places where the Gospel of Christ is used and its certainly NOT in relation to the Church , which is His Body today!

The gospel of Christ NEVER mentions Christ as MESSIAH, but of Christ as HEAD OF THE BODY, which is but ONE of the many mystery truths given to PAUL, but NOT to Peter and the boys. They knew NOTHING of the formation of a BODY, as this was KEPT SECRET and HID IN GOD until God revealed it to a NEW APOSTLE for a NEW creation that had NOT BEEN IN EXISTANCE Before.

2 Cor. 4:4,Romans 1:19, Romans 15:19,29; Gal. 1:7; 1 Cor 9:12, 18; Phil. 1:27;2 Cor. 9:13 and 10:14, and 1 Thess. 3:2.

So...that debunks your FIRST comments as FALSE.

Now to your second observations about the verse posted:

Of course He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures. What Scriptures were being referred to here? The only ones they HAD...the PROPHETIC scriptures...the OT. Of course the MESSIAH was being referred to ...that is who they were EXPECTING and REJECTED.

They (the Nation Israel) were offered forgiveness (according to THIS VERY verse) ACCORDING TO or on the basis of what?

The blood? NO. NO blood listed here.

The Cross? NO Cross listed here.

The death, burial and resurrection? NO, none of that here.

Lets be honest and see what it DOES say that Israels salvation was based ON , shall we? NOT from opinion but found right here in the verse. Salvation to the JEWS in times PAST was based "on HIS NAME to all the nations , beginning with Jerusalem."

His name to THEM, was the MESSIAH. And THEY were the ones that were required to BELIEVE it FIRST, BEFORE they could take this message to ANY other nations. THEY never believed it and they never took THIS gospel anywhere! Scripture verifies this.

This debunks your opinions here as well.

Now, here its speaking of the Gentiles...different gospel...Jesus Christ our LORD, faith of the GENTILES...Christ risen from the dead and the gospel given TO Paul is the MYSTERY that was HID from ages and generations (this includes from Peter and the boys )

Paul NEVER mentions a MESSIAH. He calls The RISEN Christ "the HEAD of the church, which is His BODY".

This phrase is again used ONLY by Paul as Paul is the ONLY One who preaches the purpose of the Cross and who tells us of the FORMATION of a heretofore NON EXISTANT entity...THE BODY OF CHRIST, with Christ as the HEAD.

NO MESSIAH here...he was ISRAELS MESSIAH...REJECTED.


No, they DONT! You have assumed what simply ISNT THERE.

The Jews were REQUIRED to believe on His NAME as their PROMISED MESSIAH.

We , the body of Christ, are told to believe in the death, burial and resurrection of our REVEALED "HEAD". Not the same thing at all!


Until you ACKNOWLEDGE that there are indeed TWO different things being spoken of here, and stop trying to cram them all into ONE, there can be no more dialogue.

This IS the starting point.

This bears repeating.

 

[timlamb]

This bears repeating.

NO, it doesn't.

Lets see, hmmm, agree with ephy or she stops talking?

bye ephy, LOL