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Did Joshua commit genocide?

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While I understand the Post-Wellhausen position, I think that relegating the "core" content pertaining to Moses and Joshua and the pre-unified kingdom to the status of mere legend is too easily done and assumes too many unknowns where the study of ancient historiography(-ies) is of the essence. I think there is a lot of speculative stretching on both sides of the divide, both among Minimalists and Fundamentalists.
 
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And then there are those that remember that Christ the Lord referred to the Flood of Noah, and the upcoming destruction of this world and everyone in it, as necessary historical events.
 
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It's probably best not to read the Bible in the light of the world events and politics of the last 125 years.
 
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I need to clarify, I suppose: I do not mean by "legend", to be something completely made up, like Tolkein's Lord of the Rings. I mean that these are histories embellished by contemporary ideologies and theological concerns, and told within the historiography of the time, which often included imagery such as complete destruction of peoples, or great conquests of cities, often for the purposes of solidifying a national identity.

In reality, it is believed that the formation of the kingdom is something that happened on a far less grand scale, and involved alot more cultural negotiation, something that even the Bible itself hints at from time to time. In the Bible, we just get a particular historiography that tries to make things seem smoother and less ideologically and politically complicated than they were.
 
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Ok. Thanks for the clarification, FD. We're on a similar interpretive page where 'legend' and 'history' are distinct historiographical concepts.

I realize folks like Finkelstein report their archaeological findings and think that Israel was less grand in scale from what is represented in the pages of the Old Testament writings, and they may be correct. It could be the case. But since so much of ancient archaeology depends on relatively sparse remnants from the past, it's difficult to know for sure, which is why we always see someone like Finkelstein 'hedge' his current, scientifically oriented, interpretations of what it is he and other archaeologists uncover.

It just sort of irks me that some folks on the extremes of both sides of the interpretive spectrum are so sure of themselves.
 
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I think it's not without theological significance, in ways that could be illuminating.

For instance, there's alot of current theory that originally YHWH was a god of the flash floods of the Negev and southern Levant. This illuminates the story of Israel's deliverance under Moses by Pharaoh's armies being washed away by YHWH. It also illuminates Elijah's duel with the priest's of Ba'al. Ba'al was another Canaanite storm god, but represented the storms that came in from the sea and gently fell on the plains. You can even find echoes of this YHWH as the dynamic and wrathful deity in some of the psalms, where imagery of water coursing through the Negev is used (Psalm 126). So the wrathful character of God as presented in the J texts isn't acciddental, but is meant to hint at a more dynamic theology than the relatively remote and distant, more "Islamic" Eloohist account of God. YHWH's destructive activities present the opportunity for deliverance and renewal, which is actually closer in alot of ways to many eastern religions that also feature wrathful deities.
 
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Yes, I'm aware of all of that, FD, and I appreciate your own awareness of these historiographical and archaeological issues. I don't necessarily think what you're sharing is the viewpoint I share, being that I think some Minimalists and some Centrists are prone to think of the earlier portions of the Tanakh from only within the confines of the Documentary Hypothesis. I try not to remain beholden to that hypothesis in a sheer, naked way.

While I'll admit I have little to no evidence for my own interpretive inclination toward the historiographical development of the texts of the Torah and the rest of the Tanakh, I tend to see it more in the way that we do the Synoptic Problem and the historiographical musings that go with the New Testament Gospels, particularly as it involves the speculative proto - 'Q source' and Oral Tradition(s) that may have been at play in the critical dynamics.
 
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You make a good point. I agree that following Jesus’ teaching and example is paramount, and that it is not at all a simple formula that looks the same for all people.

I am also aware of at least some of the complexity and variety of biblical interpretation in the second-temple period that Jesus was a part of.

But I definitely have a blind spot at times regarding the implications of the full humanity of Jesus that we profess. To say that I find the incarnation difficult to understand is an understatement.
 
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