Did Jesus meet Abram ?

[AllTalkNoAction]

Was Jesus the Melchizedek who met Abram ?

Gen. 14:18: And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
:19: And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:

 

[tall73]

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[daveleau]

Melchizedek was not Jesus, but was a type of Jesus. (This is a theological term that would require reading of the relationship of types/archetypes.)

One example of a type archetype is Moses raising the serpent in the desert (Numbers 21:8) and Jesus being raised for the salvation of mankind (John 3:14). Note the tying in of the two passages, and how they refer to each other. Moses was the type and Jesus was the archetype. Melchizedek and Jesus had the same relationship in Scripture. They were not one and the same, but Melchizedek was a foreshadow of Jesus' time on earth. The authors of Scripture used this literary tool to foreshadow, despite not really knowing what they were foreshadowing (at least the OT prophets may not have known exactly what they were foreshadowing when they recorded what they did in Scripture at the guidance of the Holy Spirit.)

So, to answer your question, no. Jesus did not meet Abram here.

In Him,
Dave

 

[AllTalkNoAction]

Thanks Dave, but there is a reasonable argument to say that Jesus was that Melchizedek because he is without beginning and ending of days, and Melchizedek was "the priest" of God, not just a priest ??

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Thanks Dave, but there is a reasonable argument to say that Jesus was that Melchizedek because he is without beginning and ending of days, and Melchizedek was "the priest" of God, not just a priest ??

I haven't read through all of this commentary yet but this person did a rather extensive 7 part series on Melchizedek if you are interested.
You may find it helpful or you may not. Peace.

http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/priest/RP24.htm
THE MELCHIZEDEK CONNECTION

One of the most intriguing descriptions of the unique character of the High Priesthood of Jesus is found in Heb. 7:17 wherein it is stated, "Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek." The entire seventh chapter of Hebrews is about THE MELCHIZEDEK CONNECTION

In Genesis, chapter fourteen, we have one of the most intriguing stories in the Bible, that of Abram's encounter with Melchizedek, king of Salem, and "the priest of the Most High God." In the Genesis story Melchizedek is a strange and mysterious figure. He flashes across the scene like a meteor. There is no heralding of his appearance, nor any mention of its results. He arrives out of the blue; there is no account of his family; there is nothing about his birth, his descent, his life, his work, or his death. He simply arrives.

 

[BereanTodd]

NO, Melchizedek is not Jesus, there is not even that good of an argument for it when you look at it clearly. So no, in that instance, Jesus did not meet Abram. However Jesus did meet Abraham face-to-face.

Remember Gen 18, the three men, including the Lord came and met Abraham and ate with him. It was clearly God. But what was Jesus' testimony?

John 6: 46"Not that anyone has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father.

So, according to Jesus the only one who has seen the Father is Him (Jesus Himself). Yet God ate with Abraham. I think it's safe to say then that Gen 18 is an example of a Christophany, or a pre-incarnation appearance of Jesus. Therefore at that point Jesus did meet Abraham.

 

[AllTalkNoAction]

NO, Melchizedek is not Jesus, there is not even that good of an argument for it when you look at it clearly. So no, in that instance, Jesus did not meet Abram. However Jesus did meet Abraham face-to-face.

Why don't you give a scriptural reason why the argument in post #4 is wrong ?

 

[BereanTodd]

Why don't you give a scriptural reason why the argument in post #4 is wrong ?

Hebrews 5:5So Christ also did not take upon himself the glory of becoming a high priest. But God said to him,
"You are my Son;
today I have become your Father." 6And he says in another place,
"You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek."

This statement by te Father makes no sense if Jesus was Melchizedek. That would be like saying: "Jesus, you are my son, today I have becomeyour Father, You are a priest forever, in the order of Jesus." It makes no logical sense to compare oneself to oneself.

Hebrews 5:9and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him 10and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek.

Again Jesus is compared to Melchizedek. It again makes no logical sense to compare yourself to yourself. Jesus is "in the order OF Melchizedek" or "like Melchizedek" not literally being Melchizedek.

Now read all of chapter 7. It starts out talking about how Melchizedek was LIKE the Son of God, and how Jesus is LIKE Melchizedek. The comparisons are made, but you don't compare oneself to oneself, that is illogical and silly.