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<blockquote data-quote="doubtingmerle" data-source="post: 57219590" data-attributes="member: 6687"><p>(continued)</p><p> </p><p></p><p><a href="http://jesuspuzzle.humanists.net/home.htm" target="_blank">Historical Jesus or Jesus Myth: The Jesus Puzzle</a></p><p>My link can beat up your links! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p> </p><p>For instance Col 1:12-22 (which was probably actually written by a fan of Paul, not Paul himself).</p><p style="margin-left: 20px">12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">13 For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">15<span style="color: #0000ff"><span style="color: #0000ff"> He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. </span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: #0000ff"><span style="color: #0000ff">16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him. </span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">17<span style="color: #ff0000"><span style="color: #ff0000"> He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. </span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">18 <span style="color: #ff0000"><span style="color: #ff0000">He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. </span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">19 <span style="color: #ff0000"><span style="color: #ff0000">For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, </span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">20 <span style="color: #00ff00"><span style="color: #00ff00">and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven. </span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">21<span style="color: #00ff00"><span style="color: #00ff00"> And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds, </span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: #00ff00"><span style="color: #00ff00">22yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death</span></span>,<span style="color: #ff0000"><span style="color: #ff0000"> in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach--</span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: #ff0000"><span style="color: #ff0000"></span></span></p><p></p><p>How is this describing Jesus of Nazareth? If you had only this epistle, would you think any of this happened on earth? The blue above clearly refers to past events in heaven. The red refers to present and future events in heaven. And the green? Well you could force that to be on earth, but if you didn't have the gospels, would you be reading it that way? </p><p> </p><p>And yes, it does say his fleshly body, but that could only mean he descended to some level of the firmament where he took on fleshly form and died. There is not a hint here that when on earth, he was a personal aquaintance of the authors peers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="doubtingmerle, post: 57219590, member: 6687"] (continued) [url=http://jesuspuzzle.humanists.net/home.htm]Historical Jesus or Jesus Myth: The Jesus Puzzle[/url] My link can beat up your links! :) For instance Col 1:12-22 (which was probably actually written by a fan of Paul, not Paul himself). [INDENT]12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. 15[COLOR=#0000ff][COLOR=#0000ff] He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. [/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR=#0000ff][COLOR=#0000ff]16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him. [/COLOR][/COLOR] 17[COLOR=#ff0000][COLOR=#ff0000] He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. [/COLOR][/COLOR] 18 [COLOR=#ff0000][COLOR=#ff0000]He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. [/COLOR][/COLOR] 19 [COLOR=#ff0000][COLOR=#ff0000]For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, [/COLOR][/COLOR] 20 [COLOR=#00ff00][COLOR=#00ff00]and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven. [/COLOR][/COLOR] 21[COLOR=#00ff00][COLOR=#00ff00] And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds, [/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR=#00ff00][COLOR=#00ff00]22yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death[/COLOR][/COLOR],[COLOR=#ff0000][COLOR=#ff0000] in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach-- [/COLOR][/COLOR][/INDENT][COLOR=#ff0000][COLOR=#ff0000][/COLOR][/COLOR] How is this describing Jesus of Nazareth? If you had only this epistle, would you think any of this happened on earth? The blue above clearly refers to past events in heaven. The red refers to present and future events in heaven. And the green? Well you could force that to be on earth, but if you didn't have the gospels, would you be reading it that way? And yes, it does say his fleshly body, but that could only mean he descended to some level of the firmament where he took on fleshly form and died. There is not a hint here that when on earth, he was a personal aquaintance of the authors peers. [/QUOTE]
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