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<blockquote data-quote="AlexBP" data-source="post: 57150486" data-attributes="member: 261211"><p>No, actually I don't have to interview every Jew from that century to establish the point. What I have to do is investigate what is known about Jewish religion and thought in the first century. And when I investigate that, I find that all groups of Jews quite definitely avoided incorporating Pagan influences into their religion. I have already given you the details in post #292, which was just a repost of something from earlier in the thread. I'm not going to bother posting the whole thing a third time. If you want to actually respond to post #292 rather than just ignoring most of it, go right ahead. But for you to say I have to interview every Jew from that century is a pointless waste of time on your part. To learn about what people thought in previous centuries it is neither possible nor necessary to interview every single person. Scholars work with the material that they have. In the case of the Jews, we have more material than for any other ancient nation because they were so scrupulous about records. For example, we have the entirety of the Talmud, which dates from Roman times and is 23 large volumes. Do we find any evidence in there that any group of Jews changed their religion based on Greek philosophy in the first century?</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p>Yes, but we're not debating that. What we're debating is whether Greek philosophy produced changes in Jewish religion in the first century. In post #292 I've laid out my reasons for believing that they did not.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>Agian, the question at issue here is not one of "influence" generally, but influence on religion. We know what Paul's religious views were, since it's established both in his own letters and in the Book of Acts. Paul was a Pharisee and a particularly zealous one, prior to the moment when Jesus spoke to him on the road to Damascus. The Pharisees did not mingle Greek philosophy with Jewish religion; they were militant about maintaining the purity of Jewish religion.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>You named a few books. When I asked you what in those books had convinced you of the point, it turned out that you hadn't actually read them. "Judging a book by its cover" has long been a cliched representation of laziness. Since the main book that you were referencing costs $120 I'm not going to buy a copy. If you want to give me actual reasons why I should believe that Greek thought influenced Jewish religion in the first century, then I will be happy to look at them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AlexBP, post: 57150486, member: 261211"] No, actually I don't have to interview every Jew from that century to establish the point. What I have to do is investigate what is known about Jewish religion and thought in the first century. And when I investigate that, I find that all groups of Jews quite definitely avoided incorporating Pagan influences into their religion. I have already given you the details in post #292, which was just a repost of something from earlier in the thread. I'm not going to bother posting the whole thing a third time. If you want to actually respond to post #292 rather than just ignoring most of it, go right ahead. But for you to say I have to interview every Jew from that century is a pointless waste of time on your part. To learn about what people thought in previous centuries it is neither possible nor necessary to interview every single person. Scholars work with the material that they have. In the case of the Jews, we have more material than for any other ancient nation because they were so scrupulous about records. For example, we have the entirety of the Talmud, which dates from Roman times and is 23 large volumes. Do we find any evidence in there that any group of Jews changed their religion based on Greek philosophy in the first century? Yes, but we're not debating that. What we're debating is whether Greek philosophy produced changes in Jewish religion in the first century. In post #292 I've laid out my reasons for believing that they did not. Agian, the question at issue here is not one of "influence" generally, but influence on religion. We know what Paul's religious views were, since it's established both in his own letters and in the Book of Acts. Paul was a Pharisee and a particularly zealous one, prior to the moment when Jesus spoke to him on the road to Damascus. The Pharisees did not mingle Greek philosophy with Jewish religion; they were militant about maintaining the purity of Jewish religion. You named a few books. When I asked you what in those books had convinced you of the point, it turned out that you hadn't actually read them. "Judging a book by its cover" has long been a cliched representation of laziness. Since the main book that you were referencing costs $120 I'm not going to buy a copy. If you want to give me actual reasons why I should believe that Greek thought influenced Jewish religion in the first century, then I will be happy to look at them. [/QUOTE]
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