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<blockquote data-quote="doubtingmerle" data-source="post: 57098518" data-attributes="member: 6687"><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-size: 12px">Once again we are looking at the fragmented early church, the many gospels, the many Jesus's, the many Christs, the many apostles of the New Testament. Where did they all come from? How can this all originate from one Jesus? For instance:</span></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-size: 12px">2 Cor. 11:4 For if one comes and preaches </span><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>another Jesus </strong>whom we have not preached, or you receive a </span><span style="font-size: 12px">different spirit which you have not received, or <strong>a </strong></span><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">different gospel </span></strong><span style="font-size: 12px">which you have not accepted, you </span><span style="font-size: 12px">bear this </span><span style="font-size: 12px">beautifully. 5For I consider myself </span><span style="font-size: 12px">not in the least inferior to the most eminent apostles. </span></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-size: 12px">Gal. 1:6 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting </span><span style="font-size: 12px">Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for <strong>a </strong></span><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">different gospel</span></strong><span style="font-size: 12px">; 7which is really not another; only there are some who are </span><span style="font-size: 12px">disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we, or </span><span style="font-size: 12px">an angel from heaven, should preach to you <strong>a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you</strong>, he is to be </span><span style="font-size: 12px">accursed! </span></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-size: 12px">Mark 13:21"And then if anyone says to you, 'Behold, here is the Christ'; or, 'Behold, He is there'; do not believe him; 22 <strong>for false Christs and </strong></span><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">false prophets will arise</span></strong><span style="font-size: 12px">, and will show </span><span style="font-size: 12px">signs and </span><span style="font-size: 12px">wonders, in order to lead astray, if possible, the elect.</span></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-size: 12px">2 Cor11:13 For such men are </span><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>false apostles, </strong></span><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ</span></strong><span style="font-size: 12px">. </span></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></p><p></span><span style="font-size: 12px">We seem to see many Christs, apostles, gospels, and Jesus's arising out of a common background looking for an annointed savior. ("Christ" means annointed, "Jesus" means savior).</span></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">We don't know whom was the recipient of Pauls's ire in 2 Cor 11, but it may well have been the Apollos he disputes in 1 Corinthians. The point is that there were many people calling themselves apostles and teaching many different things. The picture of the church as presented in 1 Cor and 2 Cor is far from that of an organized body dedicated to one Jesus, one gospel, and one clearly defined set of apostles.</span></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">We differ on this. I suggest that any interested reader look at 1 Cor 1-3 in the light of what Doherty says at <a href="http://jesuspuzzle.humanists.net/supp01.htm" target="_blank">Jesus Project Demise-Supplement 01</a>. </span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="doubtingmerle, post: 57098518, member: 6687"] [SIZE=3][SIZE=3]Once again we are looking at the fragmented early church, the many gospels, the many Jesus's, the many Christs, the many apostles of the New Testament. Where did they all come from? How can this all originate from one Jesus? For instance:[/SIZE] [INDENT][SIZE=3]2 Cor. 11:4 For if one comes and preaches [/SIZE][SIZE=3][B]another Jesus [/B]whom we have not preached, or you receive a [/SIZE][SIZE=3]different spirit which you have not received, or [B]a [/B][/SIZE][B][SIZE=3]different gospel [/SIZE][/B][SIZE=3]which you have not accepted, you [/SIZE][SIZE=3]bear this [/SIZE][SIZE=3]beautifully. 5For I consider myself [/SIZE][SIZE=3]not in the least inferior to the most eminent apostles. [/SIZE] [SIZE=3]Gal. 1:6 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting [/SIZE][SIZE=3]Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for [B]a [/B][/SIZE][B][SIZE=3]different gospel[/SIZE][/B][SIZE=3]; 7which is really not another; only there are some who are [/SIZE][SIZE=3]disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we, or [/SIZE][SIZE=3]an angel from heaven, should preach to you [B]a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you[/B], he is to be [/SIZE][SIZE=3]accursed! [/SIZE] [SIZE=3]Mark 13:21"And then if anyone says to you, 'Behold, here is the Christ'; or, 'Behold, He is there'; do not believe him; 22 [B]for false Christs and [/B][/SIZE][B][SIZE=3]false prophets will arise[/SIZE][/B][SIZE=3], and will show [/SIZE][SIZE=3]signs and [/SIZE][SIZE=3]wonders, in order to lead astray, if possible, the elect.[/SIZE] [SIZE=3]2 Cor11:13 For such men are [/SIZE][SIZE=3][B]false apostles, [/B][/SIZE][B][SIZE=3]deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ[/SIZE][/B][SIZE=3]. [/SIZE] [/INDENT][/SIZE][SIZE=3]We seem to see many Christs, apostles, gospels, and Jesus's arising out of a common background looking for an annointed savior. ("Christ" means annointed, "Jesus" means savior).[/SIZE] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [SIZE=3]We don't know whom was the recipient of Pauls's ire in 2 Cor 11, but it may well have been the Apollos he disputes in 1 Corinthians. The point is that there were many people calling themselves apostles and teaching many different things. The picture of the church as presented in 1 Cor and 2 Cor is far from that of an organized body dedicated to one Jesus, one gospel, and one clearly defined set of apostles.[/SIZE] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [SIZE=3]We differ on this. I suggest that any interested reader look at 1 Cor 1-3 in the light of what Doherty says at [URL="http://jesuspuzzle.humanists.net/supp01.htm"]Jesus Project Demise-Supplement 01[/URL]. [/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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