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<blockquote data-quote="doubtingmerle" data-source="post: 57064672" data-attributes="member: 6687"><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Sure they could be both disciples and apostles. But the epistles refer to them only as apostles, as an office appointed by God. There is no indication in the epistles that these men had been intimate acquaiantances of Jesus walking around as personal students or disciples. The gospels say that Jesus selected them as disciples, but the epistles refer only to apostles chosen by God, including Paul and Barnabas. There is no distinction made that some of the apostles were personal disciples of Jesus.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">But where does Paul say he got the message that he preached from the church? Paul specifically says he did not get it from men.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">I'm sorry, Galations 2 simply doesn't say that the Jerusalem apostles had such authority over Paul. Paul is telling them what he preaches, not asking them what he should preach. Paul goes on to condemn Peter for being wrong.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"> </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">And in 2nd Corinthians Paul says that in no way is he behind Peter.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="doubtingmerle, post: 57064672, member: 6687"] [FONT=Arial][/FONT] [FONT=Arial]Sure they could be both disciples and apostles. But the epistles refer to them only as apostles, as an office appointed by God. There is no indication in the epistles that these men had been intimate acquaiantances of Jesus walking around as personal students or disciples. The gospels say that Jesus selected them as disciples, but the epistles refer only to apostles chosen by God, including Paul and Barnabas. There is no distinction made that some of the apostles were personal disciples of Jesus.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial][/FONT][FONT=Arial][/FONT] [FONT=Arial]But where does Paul say he got the message that he preached from the church? Paul specifically says he did not get it from men.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial][/FONT][FONT=Arial][/FONT] [SIZE=2][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]I'm sorry, Galations 2 simply doesn't say that the Jerusalem apostles had such authority over Paul. Paul is telling them what he preaches, not asking them what he should preach. Paul goes on to condemn Peter for being wrong.[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]And in 2nd Corinthians Paul says that in no way is he behind Peter.[/SIZE][/FONT] [/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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