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You are throwing out the parts of the story that don't fit your interpretation. The result is that you miss the real message of the story.
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You are throwing out the parts of the story that don't fit your interpretation. The result is that you miss the real message of the story.Sentipente, I got the point but I continue to argue that the point is irrelevant. Adam died spiritually immediately and physically about 900 years later. The sentence was carried out.
You are throwing out the parts of the story that don't fit your interpretation. The result is that you miss the real message of the story.
The current teaching ignores the fact that the tree was of the knowledge of good AND evil. Then we also act as if the pair disobeyed God when it is clear that the women was tricked into doubting the word of her husband. Every significant detail of the story is ignored by our interpretations.I am not throwing out anything but I would be interested in what you think the real message is.
The current teaching ignores the fact that the tree was of the knowledge of good AND evil. Then we also act as if the pair disobeyed God when it is clear that the women was tricked into doubting the word of her husband. Every significant detail of the story is ignored by our interpretations.
No thats what your taking from the story, I and anyone eles who reads this story takes that the sin was the disobedience of eating from the tree, that God told them not to eat from. because part of the consequence of eating it, they gained a sin nature they had never known, and everyone knows sin leads to deathCimbk, our theology says that the consequences of 'good' are different from the consequences of 'evil.' The text clearly teaches that the consequences are the same for both.
I don't think there is biblical evidence that she doubted Adam. She repeated to Satan (the serpent) the warning God had given Adam, but she added the word "touch," as in "not to touch" the fruit. Interesting addition, in that the word naga' -- translated "touch" -- can mean to apply something, in other words to apply knowledge. God did not forbid the "touching" of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and in fact, applying the knowledge that there is, in fact, good and there is evil, is something we should do. However, in "eating" ('akai) we take something into us, allowing it to nourish us, become a part of us. In short, eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil gave Adam and Eve the knowledge that there is pleasure go be found in doing evil. Simply having the knowledge that good and evil exist did not endanger their heretofore eternal lives, but taking that knowledge into them and acting on it, that is what "killed" them spiritually.The current teaching ignores the fact that the tree was of the knowledge of good AND evil. Then we also act as if the pair disobeyed God when it is clear that the women was tricked into doubting the word of her husband. Every significant detail of the story is ignored by our interpretations.
I don't think there is biblical evidence that she doubted Adam. She repeated to Satan (the serpent) the warning God had given Adam, but she added the word "touch," as in "not to touch" the fruit. Interesting addition, in that the word naga' -- translated "touch" -- can mean to apply something, in other words to apply knowledge. God did not forbid the "touching" of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and in fact, applying the knowledge that there is, in fact, good and there is evil, is something we should do. However, in "eating" ('akai) we take something into us, allowing it to nourish us, become a part of us. In short, eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil gave Adam and Eve the knowledge that there is pleasure go be found in doing evil. Simply having the knowledge that good and evil exist did not endanger their heretofore eternal lives, but taking that knowledge into them and acting on it, that is what "killed" them spiritually.
Eve had sex with Lucifer and she had Cain she also had sex with Adam and had Abel. The fight between Good and evil started and Cain was a murderer and liar from the start
3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Lucifer's seed and Adams seed have been fighting for control of this planet every since. Lucifer's seed has the domination of this world today as was predicted later on in Genesis with the blessing to Esau.
But if there was no death he would not know what it means to die or surely die. Why use surely if there was no death, anyhow? I think we missed something.
But the word would make no sense to Adam unless he understood the event. There had to be death in the garden. Lions had to eat. And let us not suggest that plants do not die when they are eaten.
If they were under a penalty of death eating of the tree of life could not have reversed it.
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