DHS sending 150 agents to Chicago this week.

[Paulos23]

Does this mean more black vans? Assault on gang hideouts? Or are they going to play nice with the local police?

And I don't think the local governments in Chicago have asked for the DHS.

Homeland Security sending 150 agents to Chicago this week: report

 

[Hans Blaster]

Does this mean more black vans? Assault on gang hideouts? Or are they going to play nice with the local police?

And I don't think the local governments in Chicago have asked for the DHS.

Homeland Security sending 150 agents to Chicago this week: report

Perhaps they're concerned about the approach of J. & E. Blues toward the city.

 

[Sparagmos]

Does this mean more black vans? Assault on gang hideouts? Or are they going to play nice with the local police?

And I don't think the local governments in Chicago have asked for the DHS.

Homeland Security sending 150 agents to Chicago this week: report

Where are the Oathkeepers and the 2A people?

 

[FenderTL5]

Where are the Oathkeepers and the 2A people?

they're not coming forthe Oathkeepers and 2nd Amendment people




(yet)

 

[Paulos23]

I am reminded of some words of wisdom:

"It always embarrassed Samuel Vimes when civilians tried to speak to him in what they thought was ‘policeman’. If it came to that, he hated thinking of them as civilians. What was a policeman, if not a civilian with a uniform and a badge? But they tended to use the term these days as a way of describing people who were not policemen. It was a dangerous habit: once policemen stopped being civilians the only other thing they could be was soldiers. “ — from Snuff by Terry Pratchett

 

[hedrick]

If they are properly labeled ATF people going after illegal guns, this could be helpful. If they are anonymous kidnappers, they should be arrested by actual police.

 

[Radagast]

If they are anonymous kidnappers

When federal agents arrest people for breaking federal laws, it's not kidnapping, it's arresting.

And there is, in general, no obligation on U.S. federal agents to disclose either their identities or their specific agencies of affiliation, even if asked directly.

 

[pitabread]

When federal agents arrest people for breaking federal laws, it's not kidnapping, it's arresting.

What if they aren't breaking federal laws? What do you call that?

 

[Radagast]

What if they aren't breaking federal laws? What do you call that?

Federal agents can arrest anybody if they have probable cause to believe that federal laws are being broken.

 

[pitabread]

Well, in this case they are breaking federal laws.

So you assume every single person arrested is guilty of a crime? Is that how the legal system works now?

 

[Radagast]

So you assume every single person arrested is guilty of a crime?

I didn't say that.

But the key thing here is that Minneapolis, Seattle, and Portland may choose to give people a "free pass" to break state laws, but they cannot give people a free pass to break federal laws. Federal laws, as we can see, are going to be enforced.

 

[pitabread]

I didn't say that.

But the key thing here is that Minneapolis, Seattle, and Portland may choose to give people a "free pass" to break state laws, but they cannot give people a free pass to break federal laws. Federal laws, as we can see, are going to be enforced.

Sure. But does that mean every person snatched up by these federal agents is guilty of breaking federal law?

 

[Radagast]

Sure. But does that mean every person snatched up by these federal agents is guilty of breaking federal law?

That is for federal courts to decide, obviously.

For the purpose of arrest, all that's necessary is for federal agents to have probable cause to believe that federal laws are being broken.

 

[pitabread]

For the purpose of arrest, all that's necessary is for federal agents to have probable cause to believe that federal laws are being broken.

Sure. But that doesn't mean everyone who is arrested is actually breaking said law.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Federal agents can arrest anybody if they have probable cause to believe that federal laws are being broken.

Yes, but it has to be actual probable cause. While LE is given fairly large leeway on this in court, judges can and do void arrests (and related searches) if the probable cause was insufficient. Then it is potentially false arrest (a civil rights violation), particularly if the arresting agent *knows* that the pc was thin and chose to arrest anyway.