denomination question

[Blessed-one]

anglican is not catholic right?
i'm really confused.. any help is appreciated.

 

[lilouisianagal]

i think its the church of england though i could be wrong

 

[seebs]

Yes, no, maybe.

The Anglican church split off from the Catholic Church, if memory serves, over whether or not Henry VIII could get a divorce. However, I believe the Catholics now consider them to have maintained apostolic succession, and their doctrine is, if memory serves, more like Catholic doctrine than that of many or most Protestant churches.

If it's not totally clear, I'm not wholly sure of my answer, but I think it's pretty close.

 

[Blackhawk]

anglican is not catholic right?
i'm really confused.. any help is appreciated.

No they are the Church of England and we call them the Episcopal church in the U.S.. They were started by King Henry VIII of England because he did want ot get a divorce. Much of the real structure was formalized and gained acceptance under his daughter Queen Elizabeth.

 

[Filia Mariae]

They are not Catholic. They are not in communion with Rome. Their service resembles a Mass, but the consecration has been changed and Catholics do not consider it valid. Catholics believe that some Anglican priests have valid succession, but not all. We do not believe that any female Anglican priests have valid succession.

 

[Philip]

No they are the Church of England and we call them the Episcopal church in the U.S..

The CoE has daughter churches throughout the world that are all part of the Anglican Communion.

They were started by King Henry VIII of England because he did want ot get a divorce.

Henvy VIII provided the political power needed for the CoE to break away from the Catholic Church. Many (but certainly not all) of the theological differences underlying the split were already in place.

 

[Blackhawk]

The CoE has daughter churches throughout the world that are all part of the Anglican Communion.

Okay.

Henvy VIII provided the political power needed for the CoE to break away from the Catholic Church. Many (but certainly not all) of the theological differences underlying the split were already in place.

I think that is true but the historical fact is that the COE was started by Henry VIII.

 

[Blessed-one]

ok.. so they're not catholics but they still maintain some catholic tradition like having priests and saints?

 

[Philip]

correct.

 

[Icystwolf]

No...
From what I was told, there is the higher and lower Anglican.

Higher Anglican would look like Catholics and sound like Catholics and even feels like Catholics.

Lower Anglicans are scripture based, and Gospel based focused more on evangelism.

 

[Filia Mariae]

Lower Anglicans are scripture based, and Gospel based focused more on evangelism.

Both high and low church Anglicans, as well as Catholics are "scripture based."

 

[Bayhawks83]

anglicans are very similiar to catholics on basics like salvation, their not catholics.

 

[WanderingMagi]

No...
From what I was told, there is the higher and lower Anglican.

Higher Anglican would look like Catholics and sound like Catholics and even feels like Catholics.

Lower Anglicans are scripture based, and Gospel based focused more on evangelism.

Being in England at the moment, I go to two Anglican churches.
Firstly, I go to my college chapel. It is indistinguishable from a (very) high Catholic service. We have sung eucharists by one of the worlds best choirs, using medieval music. The other day there was even prayer made requesting Mary to intercede on our behalf.

After I have been to chapel I go to a charismatic, enthusiastic low church service. This is also Anglican. People wave their hands around; people stand up if they haave a word from the spirit; some speak in tongues; many are calvinist in many respects.

The Anglican communion has very few set beliefs, bar the creeds we have to sign up to to be Christian on here. It is not a denomination in the true sense, but a gathering of churches.


WanderingMagi

 

[WanderingMagi]

anglicans are very similiar to catholics on basics like salvation, their not catholics.

Many are calvinist.

WanderingMagi

 

[WanderingMagi]

Many (but certainly not all) of the theological differences underlying the split were already in place.

I have been studying this this term.
The general consensus for a number of years has been that very, very few people in England were Protestant until after the reformation. It took decades for people to stop using Catholic practices.

WanderingMagi

 

[Philip]

I have been studying this this term.
The general consensus for a number of years has been that very, very few people in England were Protestant until after the reformation. It took decades for people to stop using Catholic practices.

Those practices did not cause the schism. The change in practice was a result of the schism. The primary cause for the schism was a difference in doctrine of the authority of the Pope. Many in England were debating this before Henvy VIII provided them with the protection need to formally separate.

 

[WanderingMagi]

Those practices did not cause the schism. The change in practice was a result of the schism. The primary cause for the schism was a difference in doctrine of the authority of the Pope. Many in England were debating this before Henvy VIII provided them with the protection need to formally separate.

The authority of the Pope was the main issue in the reformation. But many Catholics had had the same problem before.
The reformation wasn't the first time England went out of communion with Rome and denied the Pope's authority.
Even Spain, champion of Catholics, only recognised the Pope's authority on the condition that the Kings of Spain could excercise all of it (or almost) within Spain, under the Patronado Real.

Splitting with the Pope does not make a reformation, nor does it make a Protestant.
Judging by the bit saying 'Orthodoxy - the ancient way' you agree with that.

WanderingMagi

 

[The Midge]

The Anglican/ EpiscopalianChurch is catholic because she traces her origins to the Church fathers in a continuous line of succession. She is also a reformed protestant denomination and she is, liberal evangelical secessionist charismatic denomination with free form liturgical worship and thoroughly modern in the traditional sense.

The reason being that the Church of England was formed as a theological compromise between the reformed and Catholic Church and has remained that ever since. Therefore you will find almost every expression of Christianity within the CofE and probably a few unique ones as well. Go figure.

 

[Philip]

Splitting with the Pope does not make a reformation, nor does it make a Protestant.
Judging by the bit saying 'Orthodoxy - the ancient way' you agree with that.

Well, I agree somewhat. Of course, from my point of view, we did not split from the Pope. He split from us.