I know it's a long shot, but has anyone read any Deleuze? I'm looking at a selection of his writings on Spinoza and Nietzsche at the moment. If anyone knows anything about this I'd appreciate some input.
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Deleuze - anyone read him?
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signum said:
Those are some of the ones co-written with Guatarri (yeah, I know I've spelt that wrong). I'm currently looking at Delueze's "Nietzsche and Philosophy" and I'm finding it absolutely facinating! (big Nietzsche fan, me)
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The Logic of Sense is one of his solo works.
I have a hard time with Deleuze simply because he makes so many references to other philosophers, psychiatrists and writers that I could never have time to read in my whole life. The main ones are definitely Nietzsche, Freud, Marx, Bergson, and Spinoza.
This thread is sure out of place on a Christian forum.
I have a hard time with Deleuze simply because he makes so many references to other philosophers, psychiatrists and writers that I could never have time to read in my whole life. The main ones are definitely Nietzsche, Freud, Marx, Bergson, and Spinoza.
This thread is sure out of place on a Christian forum.
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signum said:
Well that's odd, since it's not considered out of place in my university's theology department. They had a course on Freud last semester, lol!
Deleuze is very much interested at looking at the concept of God and many theologians are keen to look into the concept of the 'death of God' (Altizer for example), so it is not so surprising to see this kind of writer studied by Christians.
I'm just asking about this guy coz I'm having trouble getting to grips with it myself. Fortunately though, I have got quite a reasonable grip on Nietzsche so that is helping me keep up.
Stay cool dude!
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I'll see whether any of the extracts I've been given are from it and I'll get back to you.
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Would you agree that reading a book isn't about trying to get to some central meaning or eternal truth, but rather a way to generate new thoughts/concepts and play around with it to see where it goes? There's no way this view could be reconciled with Christianity.
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Like I said, I've only just come across Deleuze, but this is how it seems to me. I saw on a website that Deleuze considers what he does to text to be 'buggering them' (which basically means 'coming up behind them' and producing something the author would not have expected). It seems from that kind of comment that Deleuze knows that this is not how you normally approach a text. It is also worth noting that the texts Deleuze comments on are philosophical and thus he is already within the realm of ideas before he begins.
I would say that generating new concepts and playing around with them was a perfectly reasonable way of performing philosophy, so if my comments in the last paragraph are right I cannot see what is wrong with Deleuze's presence in this philosophy section. But to take things a bit further, surely the theological writings of writers like Augustine are also trying to produce new concepts and play around with them?
None of the writings I have appear to be from Logic Of Sense unfortunately. I have:
Immanence... A life (apparently the last essay he wrote)
Nomad Though (a piece about Nietzsche)
Spinoza - Practical Philosophy
Difference And Repitition - Chapter III
Why do you think that playing around with new ideas is irreconcilable with Christianity?
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Ive read parts of that Nietzsche book. I generally dislike Nietzsche, so the book wasn't really up my alley. Every now and again I get ambitious and try to read Deleuze. About the only book of his I've read fully is What Is Philosophy, and it's good stuff, but most of his work is so dense. It's a real chore to read him (Difference and Repitition being, by a mile, the most obscure and indecipherable text in the history of philosophy).
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