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I've been thinking lately about the definition of 'forgive' and am somewhat confused.

It seems that the popular definition of 'forgive', including in Christian circles is that found in Webster's dictionary: "to cease to feel resentment against (an offender)". People are advised that forgiveness is something that takes place within themselves and has nothing to do with the offender. It is all about not feeling bitter anymore. We are told that the goal of forgiving is to set ourselves free. Basically it's all about oneself. This sort of forgiveness never needs to be extended to the offending party. And that's where my confusion comes in.

We are told that forgiveness does not mean that the consequences are taken away. So forgiveness does not equal pardon.

We are told that forgiveness is not the same thing as reconciliation. So then forgiveness does not restore relationship.

Let's consider a concrete example. Let's say that Bob and Joe are friends and one day Bob offends Joe. Joe tells Bob that as a result of the offense they are no longer on speaking terms. Bob repents and asks forgiveness from Joe but receives only silence. Time passes, and years later, Bob once again asks Joe for forgiveness and Joe indicates that he already forgave Bob long ago, but still continues to refuse to speak with Bob. This doesn't sound to me like Joe has forgiven Bob at all. His actions show that he is still holding a grudge. And yet, by the popular definition of forgiveness, Joe can continue to treat Bob like dirt and hold the offense against him indefinitely as long as Joe feels within himself like he isn't bitter. No pardon is necessary, no reconciliation is called for, no attempt to extend forgiveness to the penitent offender is ever made. It's all about Joe; all about self.

This does not sound like the sort of forgiveness described in the Bible at all. When we talk about God's forgiveness, we see pardon for our sins and eternal consequences being wiped away. God's forgiveness means reconciliation and restored relationship. God reaches out to us and offers us forgiveness. We have only to repent and He faithfully forgives. We receive pardon; we receive reconciliation. We don't see the Bible describing forgiveness as God deciding within Himself that He's not going to feel bitter and is going to set Himself free.

As Christians, should we not model our attempts at forgiveness after the way that God forgives us? Where does this concept of forgiveness being only an internal shift of the way one feels come from and is it an appropriate way for a Christian to view forgiveness? Shouldn't Christian forgiveness include pardon, reconciliation, and a willingness to actually extend forgiveness to a repentant offender? Shouldn't we forgive in the way we want God to forgive us? Am I totally off base with my thoughts on the topic?
 

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I've been thinking lately about the definition of 'forgive' and am somewhat confused.

It seems that the popular definition of 'forgive', including in Christian circles is that found in Webster's dictionary: "to cease to feel resentment against (an offender)". People are advised that forgiveness is something that takes place within themselves and has nothing to do with the offender. It is all about not feeling bitter anymore. We are told that the goal of forgiving is to set ourselves free. Basically it's all about oneself. This sort of forgiveness never needs to be extended to the offending party. And that's where my confusion comes in.

We are told that forgiveness does not mean that the consequences are taken away. So forgiveness does not equal pardon.

We are told that forgiveness is not the same thing as reconciliation. So then forgiveness does not restore relationship.

Let's consider a concrete example. Let's say that Bob and Joe are friends and one day Bob offends Joe. Joe tells Bob that as a result of the offense they are no longer on speaking terms. Bob repents and asks forgiveness from Joe but receives only silence. Time passes, and years later, Bob once again asks Joe for forgiveness and Joe indicates that he already forgave Bob long ago, but still continues to refuse to speak with Bob. This doesn't sound to me like Joe has forgiven Bob at all. His actions show that he is still holding a grudge. And yet, by the popular definition of forgiveness, Joe can continue to treat Bob like dirt and hold the offense against him indefinitely as long as Joe feels within himself like he isn't bitter. No pardon is necessary, no reconciliation is called for, no attempt to extend forgiveness to the penitent offender is ever made. It's all about Joe; all about self.

This does not sound like the sort of forgiveness described in the Bible at all. When we talk about God's forgiveness, we see pardon for our sins and eternal consequences being wiped away. God's forgiveness means reconciliation and restored relationship. God reaches out to us and offers us forgiveness. We have only to repent and He faithfully forgives. We receive pardon; we receive reconciliation. We don't see the Bible describing forgiveness as God deciding within Himself that He's not going to feel bitter and is going to set Himself free.

As Christians, should we not model our attempts at forgiveness after the way that God forgives us? Where does this concept of forgiveness being only an internal shift of the way one feels come from and is it an appropriate way for a Christian to view forgiveness? Shouldn't Christian forgiveness include pardon, reconciliation, and a willingness to actually extend forgiveness to a repentant offender? Shouldn't we forgive in the way we want God to forgive us? Am I totally off base with my thoughts on the topic?

I'd say you're not off base, and I honestly was unaware that was the popular definition of "forgiveness" by Christians. When the Lord says "But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins," to me it's a clear indicator that the type of forgiveness you should give out is the type you want (and get) from God. In addition to that, how the Lord forgives people before they ever repent (and becoming perfectly Christlike is one of the primary Christian goals) is something I believe we should do. If the goodness of God leads us to repentance, why not our goodness leading others to it as well? And it must never be forgotten that what is done to other people (or not done) seems to be considered done to Christ (or not done to Him), and He takes it personally.

The concept of it being an internal shift, along with many things like so-called "justice," self-defense, not giving when asked, etc, seems to originate in our sinful natures, and must be uprooted when noticed. It's just one of the more subtle ways of keeping sin, and one of the many excuses we make that won't hold on the day of Judgment.
 
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No, your not off base, it's what Christendom has become, introspective.

Personally I define Forgiveness after what I have read in the Bible about the subject.

Forgiveness is:
FORGETTING.

Yep that's it in a nutshell, God Forgives us and places our offences as far away, as the East is from the West.

Psa. 103:12
As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

If our Transgressions are that far away from us in relation to Gods Forgiveness of us, shouldn't our Forgiveness be as far away from our debtors?

Mat 6:9-15
9) After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10) Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11) Give us this day our daily bread.
12) And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13) And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

14) For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15) But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Mat. 18:21,22
21) Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
22) Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

Luke 17:4
And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

I do not see where Forgiveness is something which is done secretly in your heart.

Lastly, I believe it goes a lot deeper than anyone ever envisioned.

Depending on where you stand in the Christian spectrum.

I believe we as Christians are given the power to Bind and lose, or to Forgive or retain the sins of others.

Mat 18:18
Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

John 20:23
Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

The problem being, when we do not Forgive but retain the sin, offence, trespass of another, we then hold that sin until the Judgment day when We will be asked "WHY Didn't you Forgive" plus the fact of what Jesus said after the Lords Prayer.

We are not Judges, we are Brothers.
 
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DPM - USA : April 06 - Forgiven as We Forgive

In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus taught us to pray, “Forgive us our debts [trespasses], as we forgive our debtors [those who trespass against us]” (Matthew 6:12). This petition says, in other words, “Forgive us as we forgive.” Remember that in the same proportion that you forgive others, God will forgive you. If you totally forgive others, God will totally forgive you. But if you only partly forgive others, God will only partly forgive you.



One major reason that many Christians do not receive answers to prayer is their failure to forgive others, usually one specific person. In my experiences with counseling people, I have found unforgiveness to be a common source of blockage in their spiritual lives. I once asked a woman whom I was counseling, “Is there anybody you haven’t forgiven?” She said, “Yes” and went on to specify a distinguished person in the United States Department of Justice. I said, “If you want release, you will have to forgive him. There is no alternative. If you don’t forgive him, God does not forgive you.”
 
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