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<blockquote data-quote="seeking Christ" data-source="post: 62356209"><p>Touche! <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/old/kawaii.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt="^_^" title="Kawaii ^_^" data-shortname="^_^" /> (It's good to be able to laugh at myself)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well I was afraid you were saying that the majority of your contact with Christians has been of the 'turn or burn' variety. And I can refine my take away from sheer ignorance, but only a little. I know the path I took to God, and His own reception in the process. I know of His longing for that universally within our species. I can't know His specific will with any individual unless He specifically shows that to me, and that's just not how He usually does things. Instead, he wants me to be faithful, and yes that's a VERY loaded word that includes all sorts of things I often fall short of. Even more compound than faith or believe, which is perhaps the simplest of the 3.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I bet! <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/old/kawaii.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt="^_^" title="Kawaii ^_^" data-shortname="^_^" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Honestly, can you not see how those semantical [sic] issues are substantive? Can you not see how attempting to 'nail down' <em>anything</em> on this topic is incredibly difficult to begin with? I mean even among Christians, it usually only works if we just came out of the same Church service. How much harder it is with an unbeliever! When I pointed out you've not seen the Kingdom of heaven I was making a valid point, not being a wiseacre.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ok so I set off a trigger, thank you for telling me that, but can you see I never said '<strong>you</strong> have faith?' The difference between that and what I </p><p>said is not at all evasive nor minor; its HUGE!</p><p></p><p>And as a total aside, what if what <strong>God</strong> means by 'lighting every man that comes into the world,' which I hold to be at least roughly synonymous to 'give each man a measure of faith,' what if in HIS view, you received that light and bear it currently? And just to be clear, even an established entity like the Roman Catholic Church (RCC) says explicitly that this <strong>is possible</strong>. I mean I'm a mystic with the gift of faith, 2 things I never realized for most of my life and actually take for granted, but I'll tell you that the biggest factor in that was recognizing I had ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA what Jesus meant when He said things like "those that believe in Me." (Him) I wasn't content with that and saw that whatever He meant by it, it obviously changed everything. I wanted it, and asked God for it. This was a long and arduous process, over decades; and it still continues, and obviously I am anything <em>but</em> perfect.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But I never said 'you just wouldn't understand.' And if you're ever frustrated at the difficulty trying to communicate any of this verbally, you should try being ME! I do think that most anything God has revealed to me you actually COULD understand, but I hope you realize that if I were to use a word in a certain way you'd have to at least try to follow along, in order to be able to understand? And that by doing so you <strong>in no way</strong> consent to anything I say as being correct? Gathering info is distinct from processing it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>We all come from a different 'place,' or point, spiritually speaking. Obviously you and I have different backgrounds with this, but I think everybody does. If you were to explore what I mean by the word "God," you would find that to be a huge and difficult topic, but you might find a lot of common ground with stuff you don't even question the existence of.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="seeking Christ, post: 62356209"] Touche! ^_^ (It's good to be able to laugh at myself) Well I was afraid you were saying that the majority of your contact with Christians has been of the 'turn or burn' variety. And I can refine my take away from sheer ignorance, but only a little. I know the path I took to God, and His own reception in the process. I know of His longing for that universally within our species. I can't know His specific will with any individual unless He specifically shows that to me, and that's just not how He usually does things. Instead, he wants me to be faithful, and yes that's a VERY loaded word that includes all sorts of things I often fall short of. Even more compound than faith or believe, which is perhaps the simplest of the 3. I bet! ^_^ Honestly, can you not see how those semantical [sic] issues are substantive? Can you not see how attempting to 'nail down' [I]anything[/I] on this topic is incredibly difficult to begin with? I mean even among Christians, it usually only works if we just came out of the same Church service. How much harder it is with an unbeliever! When I pointed out you've not seen the Kingdom of heaven I was making a valid point, not being a wiseacre. Ok so I set off a trigger, thank you for telling me that, but can you see I never said '[B]you[/B] have faith?' The difference between that and what I said is not at all evasive nor minor; its HUGE! And as a total aside, what if what [B]God[/B] means by 'lighting every man that comes into the world,' which I hold to be at least roughly synonymous to 'give each man a measure of faith,' what if in HIS view, you received that light and bear it currently? And just to be clear, even an established entity like the Roman Catholic Church (RCC) says explicitly that this [B]is possible[/B]. I mean I'm a mystic with the gift of faith, 2 things I never realized for most of my life and actually take for granted, but I'll tell you that the biggest factor in that was recognizing I had ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA what Jesus meant when He said things like "those that believe in Me." (Him) I wasn't content with that and saw that whatever He meant by it, it obviously changed everything. I wanted it, and asked God for it. This was a long and arduous process, over decades; and it still continues, and obviously I am anything [I]but[/I] perfect. But I never said 'you just wouldn't understand.' And if you're ever frustrated at the difficulty trying to communicate any of this verbally, you should try being ME! I do think that most anything God has revealed to me you actually COULD understand, but I hope you realize that if I were to use a word in a certain way you'd have to at least try to follow along, in order to be able to understand? And that by doing so you [B]in no way[/B] consent to anything I say as being correct? Gathering info is distinct from processing it. We all come from a different 'place,' or point, spiritually speaking. Obviously you and I have different backgrounds with this, but I think everybody does. If you were to explore what I mean by the word "God," you would find that to be a huge and difficult topic, but you might find a lot of common ground with stuff you don't even question the existence of. [/QUOTE]
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