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Declaration of the Separation of the States of America

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Declaration of the Separation of the States of America

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, -- That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security -- Such has been the patient sufferance of those who love Democracy, Christianity and Capitalism; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. -- The history of the present Democracy, Atheism and Socialism is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.

There is a cultural war in America between Christians and Atheists. This war is being fought on the battlefield of politics. The battles are in the voting booth. The prize in the cultural war is the hearts, minds and souls of the children. The Atheistic liberal news media greatly influences both domestic and foreign policy by constantly reporting only bad news about Christians, Conservatives and Republicans and only good news about atheists, liberals and democrats. The agenda of the Atheistic liberal news media is to promote evolution, extreme environmentalism, socialism, feminism, pornography, abortion, adultery, homosexuality and the Atheistic Lifestyle by having democrats in control of government.

We the people that love Democracy, Christianity and Capitalism do hereby remove the states of Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts and New York from the United States of America because they are the main supporters of Democracy, Atheism and Socialism. Other states can succeed as determined by a vote of the people.

Christianity and Atheism are intolerable differences.

All judicial decisions by the federal courts and the supreme court since 1940 will be put on hold until reviewed by a newly elected congress and formulated into consistent laws by congress.

The judicial system will be limited to two activities;

1) Assure a fair and just trial relative to laws written by congress, and

2) Provide recommendations to congress for areas that do not seem to agree with the Constitution.

Two legal concepts will be reinstated relative to liability cases, Contributory Negligence and Willful Intent. In order to receive anything beyond damages and legal fees, there must be proof of willful intent to do harm.

In order to prevent Atheism from being legalized the concepts of Blackstone will be the test for for all Civil Law.

William Blackstone: Of the Nature of Laws in General

William Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England states, "This law of nature, being coeval with mankind and dictated by God himself, is of course superior in obligation to any other-It is binding over all the globe in all countries, and at all times; no human laws are of any validity, if contrary to this: and such of them as are valid derive all their force, and all their authority, mediately or immediately, from this original."

The key point stated by Blackstone is that law was dictated by God himself, it is superior to all other law, and that no laws contrary to the laws dictated by God are valid.

Capitalism and Socialism are intolerable differences.

The government will cease to provide any new health care/welfare to any person, group or business. Success and failure will be based on good decisions and hard work by people, groups or businesses. America began as a don't work, don't eat nation and will return to that concept. Charity will be by the people, for the people but with no government involvement.

A flat tax without exemptions will be introduced, but competition will be encouraged to prevent excess profits. Price fixing and deceptive accounting practices will be vigorously pursued. Government should regulate business, but not control business.

All Acts of Congress since 1940 will be put on hold until reviewed by a newly elected congress to assure they are not Socialistic in nature.

All treaties made by the government since 1940 will be put on hold until reviewed by a newly elected congress and formulated into a uniform foreign policy by congress. All future treaties will be based on the concepts of Democracy, Christianity and Capitalism.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
 

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The history of the present Democracy, Atheism and Socialism is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.

I eagerly await these 'fact's.

There is a cultural war in America between Christians and Atheists. This war is being fought on the battlefield of politics. The battles are in the voting booth. The prize in the cultural war is the hearts, minds and souls of the children. The Atheistic liberal news media greatly influences both domestic and foreign policy by constantly reporting only bad news about Christians, Conservatives and Republicans and only good news about atheists, liberals and democrats. The agenda of the Atheistic liberal news media is to promote evolution, extreme environmentalism, socialism, feminism, pornography, abortion, adultery, homosexuality and the Atheistic Lifestyle by having democrats in control of government.

(a) You have yet to provide in evidence in the support of the pervasive existence of an Atheistic Liberal News Media and Entertainment Industry. Until you do so, we have no reason to accept such a claim.
(b) If the agenda of this apparent media conglomeration is to promote evolution, then why are Creationists given a platform with which to speak? If its aims are to promote homosexuality, then why (in the past, and even the present) have speakers been allowed to endorse anti-homosexual (sometimes even homophobic) views on national television? If the goal of this media is to endorse homosexuality, then why was Miss California (I think that's who it was) allowed to express her dissent on national television? And why, oh why, did this media even allow advertisements for Republican candidates to be broadcast concurrently with those of their Democratic counter-parts? Sounds more like the agenda of the ALNM is, like the ALNW itself, a myth.

We the people that love Democracy, Christianity and Capitalism do hereby remove the states of Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts and New York from the United States of America because they are the main supporters of Democracy, Atheism and Socialism. Other states can succeed as determined by a vote of the people.

Yes. Because there are no Christians or Capitalists in those States. :doh:

Essentially, you are attempting to divide the USA along ideological lines that you have defined. Clirusists please proceed to the right, everyone else (including Atheists, evolutionary theorists, feminists, Democrats, Socialists. etc, etc.) please proceed to the left.

In order to prevent Atheism from being legalized the concepts of Blackstone will be the test for for all Civil Law.

William Blackstone: Of the Nature of Laws in General

William Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England states, "This law of nature, being coeval with mankind and dictated by God himself, is of course superior in obligation to any other-It is binding over all the globe in all countries, and at all times; no human laws are of any validity, if contrary to this: and such of them as are valid derive all their force, and all their authority, mediately or immediately, from this original."

The key point stated by Blackstone is that law was dictated by God himself, it is superior to all other law, and that no laws contrary to the laws dictated by God are valid.

Contradiction. According to you, it may become necessary to violate both Civil Law and God's Law in doing 'whatever it takes' to achieve victory in a war. Your own claim invalidates your apparent allegiance to Blackstone's commentary.

Capitalism and Socialism are intolerable differences.

Not necessarily. Most modern nation-states retain a mixture of the two ideologies in their policies. And without a little bit of socialism, Capitalism is essentially anarchic, which can be highly damaging to a society.

The government will cease to provide any new health care/welfare to any person, group or business. Success and failure will be based on good decisions and hard work by people, groups or businesses. America began as a don't work, don't eat nation and will return to that concept. Charity will be by the people, for the people but with no government involvement.

Objection. Not everyone is capable of working, and in some psychological states, not everyone is capable of making good decisions naturally, if they are even capable of making decisions at all. Accordingly, in your hypothetical society, what would become of these people?

Furthermore, some people's failures occur at no fault of their own, but rather are the result of other peoples' actions.

A flat tax without exemptions will be introduced, but competition will be encouraged to prevent excess profits. Price fixing and deceptive accounting practices will be vigorously pursued. Government should regulate business, but not control business.

Ah, a little bit of Socialism. ;)

All Acts of Congress since 1940 will be put on hold until reviewed by a newly elected congress to assure they are not Socialistic in nature.

You cannot claim to pursue this separation because of your love of Democracy and then simultaneously claim that democratic decisions that were Socialistic in nature are invalid. Since 1940, the successive Congresses have been democratically elected have they not? And so, if the policies they enacted were Socialist in nature it was a democratic collective decision none-the-less. According to your attitude, democracy is good and fine so long as it is a democracy on your terms and without Socialism. Fortunately, that is not how democracy operates.

If your separation were to actually occur, and the remaining States of America then democratically decided to pursue Socialist policies, if you truly do value democracy as you claim, then you must accept this course of action will occur and is democratically valid.
 
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Good luck removing the states that support "Democracy, Atheism and Socialism." They're the states that are most economically essential the country. Though I did notice California wasn't on the list, maybe this is why? In any case, your declaration is ridiculous.

2) Provide recommendations to congress for areas that do not seem to agree with the Constitution.
What's the point of having a Constitution that is supposed to limit the lawmaking body when the lawmaking branch is the one allowed to decide if their laws agree with it? It becomes useless.

In order to prevent Atheism from being legalized the concepts of Blackstone will be the test for for all Civil Law.
So atheism will be illegal in your new country? Sounds very Jesus-like to outlaw a belief system.

A flat tax without exemptions will be introduced, but competition will be encouraged to prevent excess profits. Price fixing and deceptive accounting practices will be vigorously pursued. Government should regulate business, but not control business.
Any government regulation is socialistic in nature.

Also, contributory negligence? A ridiculous concept. Jesus would totally support comparative fault.

Also, what if someone is contributory negligent but the other party is also willful?
 
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We the people that love Democracy, Christianity and Capitalism do hereby remove the states of Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts and New York from the United States of America because they are the main supporters of Democracy, Atheism and Socialism. Other states can succeed as determined by a vote of the people.

I would be cautiously in favor of splitting the US into two countries, but I think you overestimate the popularity of your own views. Considering that the Democratic Party won the Presidency and majorities in the House and Senate, the conservatives are not in the position to claim the majority of the USA as theirs.

My proposal: a bloc of the more conservative states secede:

Montana, Idaho, Utah, Wyoming, Nebraska, Kansas, North Dakota, South Dakota, Arkansas, Oklahoma, and Missouri. This is a contiguous piece of land that has access to trade with Canada. You've got lots of mineral wealth, natural beauty, and agricultural potential in the plains states. Good luck!
 
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I would be cautiously in favor of splitting the US into two countries, but I think you overestimate the popularity of your own views. Considering that the Democratic Party won the Presidency and majorities in the House and Senate, the conservatives are not in the position to claim the majority of the USA as theirs.

My proposal: a bloc of the more conservative states secede:

Montana, Idaho, Utah, Wyoming, Nebraska, Kansas, North Dakota, South Dakota, Arkansas, Oklahoma, and Missouri. This is a contiguous piece of land that has access to trade with Canada. You've got lots of mineral wealth, natural beauty, and agricultural potential in the plains states. Good luck!

^_^Kinda surrounded though...throw in TX and maybe we can work something out...
 
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As to papists, what has been said of the Protestant dissenters would hold equally strong for a general toleration of them; provided their separation was founded only upon difference of opinion in religion, and their principles did not also extend to a subversion of the civil government. If once they could be brought to renounce the supremacy of the pope, they might quietly enjoy their seven sacraments, their purgatory, and auricular confession; their worship of reliques and images; nay even their transubstantiation. But while they (Catholics) acknowledge a foreign power, superior to the sovereignty of the kingdom, they cannot complain if the laws of that kingdom will not treat them upon the footing of good subjects.
-William Blackstone (Bl. Comm. IV, c.4 ss. iii.2, p. *54)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Blackstone
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In addition to removing the states of Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts and New York from the United States of America because of their supposed support of Democracy, Atheism and Socialism, "clirus" failed to mention Blackstone's anti-Catholic sentiments.

Blackstone contends that unless Roman Catholics "could be brought to renounce the supremacy of the pope," they cannot complain "if the laws of that kingdom will not treat them upon the footing of good subjects."


The Roman Catholic Church, the largest Christian group in America, reported 67,515,016 registered members in 2008 - followed by the Southern Baptist Convention with 16,306,246 members.

Catholicism is the largest single Christian group in each of the following states.
Rhode Island 63%
Massachusetts 47%
New Jersey 42%
Vermont 42%
New York 39%
New Hampshire 35%
California 34%
Connecticut 34%
Arizona 31%
Illinois 31%
Texas 29%
Wisconsin 29%
Nebraska 28%
Pennsylvania 27%
Florida 26%
New Mexico 26%
Maine 25%
Minnesota 25%
Indiana 20%
Kansas 20%
Missouri 20%
Ohio 20%
Wyoming 18%
Idaho 15%
Oregon 15%

"Clirus" should also note that of the 9 current Supreme Court justices, 5 are Roman Catholic, 2 are Jewish and 2 are Protestant.

John Roberts - Roman Catholic - appointed by George W. Bush
Samuel Alito - Roman Catholic - appointed by George W. Bush
Clarence Thomas - Roman Catholic - G. H. W. Bush
Antonin Scalia - Roman Catholic - Ronald Reagan
Anthony Kennedy - Roman Catholic - Ronald Reagan
Ruth Bader Ginsburg - Jewish - appointed by Bill Clinton
Stephen Breyer - Jewish - appointed by Bill Clinton
David Souter - Protestant (Episcopalian) - G. H. W. Bush
John Paul Stevens - Protestant - Gerald Ford

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholicism_in_the_United_States
 
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There is a cultural war in America between Christians and Atheists. This war is being fought on the battlefield of politics. The battles are in the voting booth. The prize in the cultural war is the hearts, minds and souls of the children. The Atheistic liberal news media greatly influences both domestic and foreign policy by constantly reporting only bad news about Christians, Conservatives and Republicans and only good news about atheists, liberals and democrats. The agenda of the Atheistic liberal news media is to promote evolution, extreme environmentalism, socialism, feminism, pornography, abortion, adultery, homosexuality and the Atheistic Lifestyle by having democrats in control of government.
This is the part of your post that ignores other populations living in the US. What about Muslims, Buddhists, Pagans, etc? Is there a war going on between these groups? And who is the Atheistic liberal news media you keep talking about? You have never provided any evidence as to what it is.

You keep dividing Christians and atheists into this dichotomy, are you aware there are Liberal Christians? What about the feminists who consider themselves Christian as well? They exist you know. How about atheists who are pro life?

Christianity and Atheism are intolerable differences.
Again, you're ignoring other groups of people.

Capitalism and Socialism are intolerable differences.
Actually this isn't exactly true. It is quite possible to be both socialist and capitalist at the same time.
 
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To further Clirus' little thought experiment, which essentially divides the United States along ideological lines, what happens to the remaining Christian-Capitalistic States when they eventually - through the democratic process - adopt policies that (in Clirus' view) are un-Christian and Socialistic? Are these States then also progressively ostracized from this new quasi-US? Do these States then join the remaining 'Socialist' States? Suppose further, that this continues to occur and eventually there is only one 'Christian-Capitalist' State! What then? Suppose then that even that one remaining State were to eventually adopt some Socialism... then the United States of America would be unified again!

Suppose further that within an overall 'Christian-Capitalist' State there are ideological divisions where the Northern counties are more social democrats, whereas more of the Southern counties are liberal democrats. Do we divide the State against itself, county by county? Or do we begin a purge of all the social democrats and ship them off to the remaining socialist states? Would we segregate?

Ponder further how precarious it is - especially in these times - to have a United States divided into two political entities. How would you control borders between these two - now independent nations - on the same continent? What would your foreign policy between them be? How would you divide the military between them? Where would the 'Socialist' States establish their Capital? What about all the Socialists and Atheists in the liberal democratic States? Clirus' solution yields more problems than it solves.
 
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Effective 23:11 hours, Sunday the 26th of April, Central time:
The Federated Republic of Kharak, by order of the supreme Chairman of the people, has declared WAR on the Confederated Territories of Clirus. All reserve units have been activated, and standing armies have already begun a massive mobilization to retain the TREACHEROUS provincial holdings of Clirus under the Kharakian hegemony. The only acceptable outcome of the approaching conflict is the complete subjugation of the Confederacy.

There will be no respite, no reluctance and no mercy. The fields of Clirus' corrupt fiefdom will burn as bombers blot out the traitors' sky. Already, entire divisions of tanks move on to shed the blood of the facista alongside our brave fighting men and women. The day will come when these rebel scum BEG forgiveness, groveling at our feet...

But we shall simply smile and be on our way of WORLD DOMINATION
 
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Effective 23:11 hours, Sunday the 26th of April, Central time:
The Federated Republic of Kharak, by order of the supreme Chairman of the people, has declared WAR on the Confederated Territories of Clirus. All reserve units have been activated, and standing armies have already begun a massive mobilization to retain the TREACHEROUS provincial holdings of Clirus under the Kharakian hegemony. The only acceptable outcome of the approaching conflict is the complete subjugation of the Confederacy.

There will be no respite, no reluctance and no mercy. The fields of Clirus' corrupt fiefdom will burn as bombers blot out the traitors' sky. Already, entire divisions of tanks move on to shed the blood of the facista alongside our brave fighting men and women. The day will come when these rebel scum BEG forgiveness, groveling at our feet...

But we shall simply smile and be on our way of WORLD DOMINATION

"We have just received information that the Confederated Territories of Clirus were recently pwned by a Zergling rush."
 
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Effective 23:11 hours, Sunday the 26th of April, Central time:
The Federated Republic of Kharak, by order of the supreme Chairman of the people, has declared WAR on the Confederated Territories of Clirus. All reserve units have been activated, and standing armies have already begun a massive mobilization to retain the TREACHEROUS provincial holdings of Clirus under the Kharakian hegemony. The only acceptable outcome of the approaching conflict is the complete subjugation of the Confederacy.

There will be no respite, no reluctance and no mercy. The fields of Clirus' corrupt fiefdom will burn as bombers blot out the traitors' sky. Already, entire divisions of tanks move on to shed the blood of the facista alongside our brave fighting men and women. The day will come when these rebel scum BEG forgiveness, groveling at our feet...

But we shall simply smile and be on our way of WORLD DOMINATION
No...this planet...is theirs!

*enter tyrranids*
 
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Montana, Idaho, Utah, Wyoming, Nebraska, Kansas, North Dakota, South Dakota, Arkansas, Oklahoma, and Missouri. This is a contiguous piece of land that has access to trade with Canada. You've got lots of mineral wealth, natural beauty, and agricultural potential in the plains states. Good luck!

They can have Alberta too, once we've sucked it's oil dry. :)
 
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To further Clirus' little thought experiment, which essentially divides the United States along ideological lines, what happens to the remaining Christian-Capitalistic States when they eventually - through the democratic process - adopt policies that (in Clirus' view) are un-Christian and Socialistic? Are these States then also progressively ostracized from this new quasi-US? Do these States then join the remaining 'Socialist' States? Suppose further, that this continues to occur and eventually there is only one 'Christian-Capitalist' State! What then? Suppose then that even that one remaining State were to eventually adopt some Socialism... then the United States of America would be unified again!

Suppose further that within an overall 'Christian-Capitalist' State there are ideological divisions where the Northern counties are more social democrats, whereas more of the Southern counties are liberal democrats. Do we divide the State against itself, county by county? Or do we begin a purge of all the social democrats and ship them off to the remaining socialist states? Would we segregate?

Ponder further how precarious it is - especially in these times - to have a United States divided into two political entities. How would you control borders between these two - now independent nations - on the same continent? What would your foreign policy between them be? How would you divide the military between them? Where would the 'Socialist' States establish their Capital? What about all the Socialists and Atheists in the liberal democratic States? Clirus' solution yields more problems than it solves.

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Just when I was about to give up on bjpurple, there is a sign of understanding.

Everything I have written deals with "how America got to where we are now". That includes the whole world, because there were definite outside influences.

I believe America began as a Christian Nation or at least a nation based very closely on Christian Principles. I know America began to forget God as soon as it was formed, just as the Bible says the Israelis began to forget God when they entered the promised land.

However, I don't believe religion was the key element of change. I believe the major change to America came when Socialism was introduced to America by the Roosevelt Administration. From the Socialism came the legalization of pornography, abortion and homosexuality that now makes America basically a Godless nation. Socialism put the rights of the people above the responsibilities of the people. Government should not serve people but rather provide security for people by eliminating evil people. The oath of office for most government positions has the phrase "protect against domestic and foreign enemies', it does not say to prove services to the people.

I have heard that the Irish that came to America and settled in Boston, were the start of the democratic party concept of government providing services to the people.

Even the debate between Adams and Jefferson was a northeaster federalist versus a populist concept of government.

Even the concept of the government "providing services to the people" was not really successful until the judicial system get involved and started interpreting the Constitution incorrectly. The judicial system has gotten to the point where it now overturns the vote of the people. When the judicial system can overturn the vote of the people, you don't even have a Democracy.

The judicial system needs to be taken back to its original intent.

The second worst offender was the Atheistic Liberal News Media that provided propaganda support for the court actions and got democrats elected that appointed judges that produced the Atheistic judicial decisions.

Just going back to the Blackstone concept would erase the Atheistic advance in America. It would also affect the whole world.

I do not think the people who wrote the Constitution ever conceived that Civil Law and God's Law would ever be so different. America has got to make a choice because there is a divided house that cannot stand. Better to separate than to constantly fight. The Church is told to stop fellowship with those that will not follow the commandments/doctrines of the Bible.

I pick the Northeastern Liberal States because Boston is the heart of the homosexual activity and New York City is the home of the Atheistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry, and the corrupt big businesses that took too much risk.

I believe most America's would choose Christian Principles over Atheistic Principles, however the American Northeastern states seem to reject Christian Principles.

I would prefer a revival, but I would accept a separation.
 
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