Deceived

Well, I'm not sure that we are more easily deceived just because we are women. Adam ate the fruit too when eve gave it to him...And adam was told directly from God not to! Perhaps that wasn't deception, but sheer stupidity (a true face-palm moment)....However that doesn't mean all men are stupid.

Sometimes we don't think clearly when we are in an emotional predicament, and its good to have friends or family to help keep us on track. But we still have to remember that we are all adults here and thus responsible for ourselves. I wouldn't use it as an argument for why women should be in submission to men (more specifically, husbands. Women are told to submit to their husbands, not just any man).

I'm not too emotional to think logically.

^ same here....Just read the personality profile XD

I'm afraid I'm rather horrible at the whole emotions thing.

I think men and women can be equally deceived. I just think for different reasons. Male and female friends of mine who have been deceived often go about it or fall into it for different reasons and in different ways.

Don't forget Adam fell for the apple-eating too.

I think we can all say we've done some things that we regret, even when we tried to approach the issue logically, that's why it's helpful to have friends and family in your life see things from a different angle. That doesn't always mean they are right, but it helps you get a wider perspective.

Women are too emotional to think logically, really? Seriously, in 2010 someone actually says something like that? Are you too frail and weak to physically exert yourself too?
If life has taught me anything thus far it's that neither gender has an monopoly on acting emotionally and irrationally.

I tend to be rather logical, I think. Everyone (men and women alike) have moments where they're too emotionally charged to think logically or rationally about the situation they're in. I don't think women have the handle on that, just like men don't have the handle on logic.

I think its good how your pastor has been a blessing in protecting you from certain things, but I'm concerned about your comment that you'll submit to him until you're married. Thats not Biblical. He may have sound advice to offer you about your life, but he has no authority over you as an individual. Other things you've mentioned about how he has treated you worries me as well. Please be vigilant and be careful with him.

As logical as my mom can be at times, getting my dad back on track, I still have to agree with you. Neither one is independent of the other.

LoveJC9 said:

We are very easily deceived just like Eve was deceived in the garden.

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Right.. I'm pretty sure Satan is supposed to be pretty good at the whole deceptive thing, gets enough of a reputation for it, where as deceiving Adam only required breasts.

Just sayin....

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Just disagreeing.

Both men and women can be easily deceived. I myself was easily deceived earlier on this year, and I suffered emotionally for it, big time. Even now it still occasionally affects me.

...And I definitely am a VERY logical person.

It can happen to all of us.

I agree to a point, but I'm not sure it's a man/woman issue, as I've met women who are extremely logical/analytical (my mother would be one, you can't pull anything over on her) and men who are seriously emotional and are lacking in the logic department. I do agree that women TEND to be the emotional ones, and men TEND to be the logical ones, and when you put them together, you get a great complementary combination of personalities.

And I do understand what you're saying, about being thankful that you have a stable, logical male figure in your life. When a woman is going through a ton of emotions, it's kinda like being on a wild, uncontrollable ocean, and a man who offers stability and sense and strength is like our anchor, literally.

Because women are, generally speaking, run by their emotions and their feelings, it is a lot easier for us to be deceived because our emotions can cloud our judgment. Men are much more rational, logical thinkers, and I, as a woman, am not afraid to say that. It's just true, no matter how politically incorrect or sexist it is. Some things are just TRUE. Thanks.

Now, with that said, men can be EASILY deceived by their woman.

I like to see man has the head/brain and woman as the heart. They can't survive or work without the other, and without either, the body (I guess the body would be the children/family) suffers and dies. Both are needed just the same.

Deception has nothing to do with emotion. Eve was not emotional about eating the fruit. In 1 tim 2:11, Paul said "the wife/woman should learn" and it must be put into context then. A person, man or woman, is more easily decieved if they do not have full knowledge. Eve, being created after Adam and after the command was given did not have full knowledge, as we see from her addition to scriptures "and you shall not even touch it."

LJSGM said:

Deception has nothing to do with emotion. Eve was not emotional about eating the fruit. In 1 tim 2:11, Paul said "the wife/woman should learn" and it must be put into context then. A person, man or woman, is more easily decieved if they do not have full knowledge. Eve, being created after Adam and after the command was given did not have full knowledge, as we see from her addition to scriptures "and you shall not even touch it."

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What's all this? Eve's speech to the serpent in no way demonstrates ignorance or incomplete understanding.

Genesis 3:1-5
1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"
2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' "
4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

I don't understand why you would talk about context after taking 1 tim 2:11 and not presenting it in context:

1 Timothy 2:8-15
8 I want men everywhere to lift up holy hands in prayer, without anger or disputing.

9 I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 10 but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God.

11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

I see that you haven't really studied this verse in depth so I'll just ask you, what makes more sense to you, that God created women to be more easily decieved or that Paul is saying that a woman should learn so that she is not more easily decieved?

Brad2009 said:

I guess the 'cram it with walnuts' part was kinda aimed at humor. Other than that, I'm not trying to run the guy down under the guise of humor. I'm just trying to run him down, or at least his 'point'.

Proverbs 26:18-19
18 Like a madman shooting
firebrands or deadly arrows

19 is a man who deceives his neighbor
and says, "I was only joking!

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I guess, my taste buds in humor have declined after the soup.

If you are not trying to run him down, then actually have a point to disagree with without nonsense.

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Oh, I LOVE proverbs
15:
4 The tongue that brings healing is a tree of life,
but a deceitful tongue crushes the spirit.

I have more if you like. I truly love it, but my heart is always with Ephesians.



To get back on topic, JC, I'm glad your pastor is helping you, but sadly I have to say, you have experienced way too much in your life for me to sit down and say what you are feeling is wrong. However, as a women, I experience logic in many ways, and emotions in many ways, and dear sister, I personally do not get decieved by people. And if I have in some way or another, it was because I am human, not just because I am woman.

God Bless.

LoveJC9 said:

This is going to go over like a soup sandwich.... But here goes....

I understand why women need to be submitted to a man. Not saying I like it completely but I do understand. We are emotional creatures and we don't think logically. We are very easily deceived just like Eve was deceived in the garden.

I want to thank God that I have a pastor who cares enough about me and my daughter to be an authority in my life, someone who I should be submitted to until the time I get married. I have done some very stupid things and I see that had I really listened to him and applied what he has said in the last 2 years of my life things would have been so much different and I would not have suffered the pain that I have suffered.

So if you don't have someone in your life to help you think logically, it is a great thing.

Just sayin....

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I think that if this line of thinking or belief really helps you in your life, then I don't have anything negative to say about that... for you, but that certainly doesn't mean that I adopt it in any way. I do think tigress has a point though. From your previous posts on this board, the dynamic you have been living in seems a little questionable from what you've said in the past. But, I think I've already addressed that before, so I'll move on. Because ultimately your life choices and your beliefs are your own. After a certain point, questionable or not so long as no one is being hurt physically or psychologically, it's best to just accept that this is someone else's beliefs. And I accept that this is yours.


For me, I have never been so choc-full of hormones in my entire life... and yet, I have never been so logical and rational as I am these days. I haven't flown off the handle or anything and yet, the hormones, they surge. And I have never felt more like a woman in my entire life. For me, womanhood doesn't mean I'm much more likely to cry at the end of Titanic. It doesn't mean I'm more likely to need a man to change the oil in my car. And it certainly doesn't mean that I, as a woman, am more likely to deceive my mate than he me simply because I am a woman or that I am more likely to be deceived than him. I have an idea where that line of thinking comes from, but I have no idea why someone in this day and age would believe that to be true... when examples all around them could exemplify the opposite or at least, that gender has nothing to do with deception. Nothing to do with it. Deception is a human condition based upon the fall of both Adam and Eve. It is the result of sin on both parts.. and continues to be so. No one gender, nationality or religion is more likely than another to fall prey to deception. It happens to everyone, regardless of those factors.

I do have people in my life who've been great examples of what it means to be rational and logical. Examples in the form of both men and women. And I, too, am very thankful for anyone in my life - past or present - who has made a significant impact on who I am and who I have yet to be.