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lasthero

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Haven't you learned by now that posting anecdotal quotes is a bad debate tactic? They carry little weight, are easily counter-quoted, and are often quotemined to begin with.

It’s worth noting that, even back then, this was questioned. By other flat earthers, even.

 
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Canal builders used water for levelling, just as gardeners do today in laying level foundations for ponds. As canals extended the water level remained constant - because the water followed the curvature of the earth anyway. In any case curvature is not an issue. You just keep going forward.

When the channel tunnel was dug it was begun at either end - one in UK, the other in France. With extraordinary precision the two tunnels met mid-Channel, within millimetres of each other. This was a level of accuracy unheard of by eighteenth Century navigators, as the canal builders were known. Mr Winckler was, no doubt, a fine engineer (just look at the canal system, centuries old and still serviceable today). He would have admired the Channel Tunnel, the construction of which required taking the earth's curvature into account.
 
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None of this proves anything.

If the world is flat.... the water would be level so the canal would be level.
If the world is round and the water follows the curve... the canal would be level....

Same for the tunnel.. except.. if they used lasers.... light does not follow the curve...

Just more non evidence for both sides.
 
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What it does is debunk the Flat Earther assertion that the Nineteenth Century engineer Winckler has any relevance to the discussion. It is in fact just a diversion.

The point about the Channel Tunnel is this: the two ends of the tunnel met accurately (to within a few millimetres) in the middle using engineering based on correct allowance for the earth's curvature. If the earth was flat the error would have been substantial - they would have missed each other completely.
this is strong evidence against a flat earth.
(Flat earthers could not send a laser beam from one end of the Channel Tunnel to the other, because it is curved.)
 
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or more likly they know more then you and can tell whats real and what isn't.
 
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Funny, I've seen laser beam tests done by both camps... the one done by the discovery channel was a mess of edits and errors in continuity...

Look it up.. it got torn to shreds by the people out there that actually test stuff like this... and.. get different answers.

Also, can you show any evidence that the curve was taken into account when digging the tunnel. There are lots of surveyor testimony that this is only found in text books and never actually used in the field..

Look that up too... I've been down this road and found no conclusive evidence for either camp to plant a flag in as winner.
 
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Sure, and this is...a looming refracted holographic mirage?

HIDDEN World Record Low Altitude FLAT EARTH Puig Sallfort (Pyrénées-Orientales) - Île et Phare de Giraglia (Corsica) Observer = 2 227 feet / 979 mètres Distance = 325 miles / 523,79 km HO = 69,40 miles / 111,69 km HI = 43 680 feet / 13,31 km 8,27 miles

Vive la terre platte!
 
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Most, if not all, of the references are plainly metaphorical ...

"To the ends of the earth ... "
"From the four corners of the earth ... "

to who? The problem I run into with this is that those things ARE consistent with the model of the universe that most other societies around where the bible books were written believed, it's easy to call them metaphors now, but was that what the authors would have intended? I believe the earth is round, but also realize that people are fallable.
 
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What part of what was said was respectful? Calling people decieved with zero evidence, is rude, and just have to read half the posts here by flat earthers to see why people are rude, only so many times you can take the same old PRATT's being used and the, "It's all a conspiracy and your lying." before you get annoyed.
 
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and what if the answers are, science showed you the truth of the world, and you turned people off from Christianity by holding to false ideas of the world?
 
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then explain that new clock that is so precise it's impossible to be acurate, because the slight differences in height of a few floors can cause two clocks that are calibrated the same to diverge, that's a consequence of space time.

Scientists created a clock so accurate that it measures space-time, and possibly dark matter
 
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if you want to see the flipside look up sovereign citizens and moors...they are both terrifying and entertaining.
 
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and what if the answers are, science showed you the truth of the world, and you turned people off from Christianity by holding to false ideas of the world?

Well that scenario would make God a liar. Just to be clear, the mound of science has theology at its apex, falsely so-called (scientism) is the other one.

So if scientism is true, gnosticism, kabbalah and Babylon are true - so which deity would be running the world? And what does the Bible say about who's hands this pantomime is in?
 
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False equivalency ...

Nothing to do with equivalence, that's the origin of your big bang cosmology, your darwinian evolution, your new age quantum physics. The likes of the fillthy black magik pages of the Qabbalah and the Zohar.
 
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Nothing to do with equivalence, that's the origin of your big bang cosmology, your darwinian evolution, your new age quantum physics. The likes of the fillthy black magik pages of the Qabbalah and the Zohar.
Or so you claim ...
 
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and what if the answers are, science showed you the truth of the world, and you turned people off from Christianity by holding to false ideas of the world?

The majority of creationist like myself, do not believe the world is flat or that the Bible teaches that is flat, quite the reverse.

The prophet Isaiah nearly twenty-eight centuries ago said ... "It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers" Isaiah 40:22 (NKJ). When Isaiah wrote this verse he used the Hebrew word "khug" to describe the shape of the earth. Although this word is commonly translated into "circle," the literal meaning of this word is "a sphere".
 
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