Debunking False Religions with Christian Universalism

Der Alte · Jan 17, 2023

Lost Witness said:
GOD is Fully capable of compelling people to profess willingly
Look at Pharaoh the LORD got him to play ball and he never even knew he was
All Will live is true though because everyone shall be resurrected to be Judged,
Some will inherit life and some condemnation.

See my post #56, above. Why didn't God compel all of Israel and all of Judah to profess willingly?
Here are some N.T. vss. to consider.

Matthew 7:21-23
(21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Jesus, NEVER said all mankind will enter heaven. In fact, Jesus said "Not every one ...shall enter into the kingdom of heaven." Then Jesus said "Many" NOT a few, "will say to me in that day,"[i.e. judgement day] Lord, Lord, have we not ...in thy name done many wonderful works?' But Jesus will say to those many, "I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." When Jesus says "never" He means "never" not some day by and by.

Romans 1:24
(24) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Romans 1:26
(26) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Romans 1:28
(28) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

HSong · Jan 17, 2023

Jeff Saunders said:
most people who truly understand UR are more interested in sharing who Jesus is and what he did , because they understand what Jesus really did . He is the savior of the world

When I used to believe in ECT, I was so scared and paralyzed with fear about being separated from my family members who weren't saved that, because of the false belief Eternal Conscious Torment, that I did not spread the Gospel back then as much as I do now. It's because of UR that I've been going out and evangelizing, telling to people the good news that Christ saves all. Universal Salvation through faith alone in Jesus has inspired me to go soulwinning and to preach to others the truth!

Psalms 22:27 All the ends of the earth and all the families of the nations will acknowledge God.

Jeff Saunders said:
satan himself will bend his knee and confess that Jesus is Lord.

Universalism is the ultimate victory. Imagine how wonderful it will be for Satan (assuming they're an actual being from creation) to realize that they have sinned and come seeking Christ for forgiveness. That will really help other people heal from all the damage Satan has caused, knowing that Satan has acknowledged that what they did was bad.

1 Cor. 15:54-58 "It shall come to pass the saying that is written: `death is swallowed up in victory. Oh, Death, where is your sting Oh, Hell (Hades) where is your victory.'

Jeff Saunders said:
early church fathers wrote

Yes, in the beginning, at least 4 of the early churches believed in Universal Salvation, while 1 believed in Conditional Immortality (Annihliationism) and the 6th one believed in Eternal Conscious Torment. Christian Universalism was the majority belief at the start and it still remains true.
Isaiah 57:16 "For I will not contend forever, Nor will I always be angry; For the spirit would fail before Me, And the souls which I have made."

Lost Witness said:
GOD is Fully capable of compelling people to profess willingly

Yes, the LORD will never stop compelling people to willingly believe in Jesus to be saved.
Rom. 11:36 "Of Him and through Him and to Him are ALL THINGS, to whom be glory forever. Amen"

HSong · Jan 17, 2023

Luke 3:6 All flesh shall see the salvation of God

Trust in Christ. He is the Saviour of the whole world. Believe in Him and be saved. All people thus will go to Heaven. These words are truthful and guaranteed. Everybody will become believers in Jesus, amen.

I say these trusts with kindness and love my friends, as I do not wish for you all to suffer in lies, but rather to be blessed with understanding and knowledge

The Mormons, those who believe in Mormonism, believe in a universal resurrection, that is, everyone will come back to life, which is true. However, they believe that “only those qualified will be able to remain” which is FALSE. This was on a website with a quote from Russell M. Nelson, president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ

Everyone will be with God the Father in Heaven and STAY there, that’s the truth. I’ve seen people truthfully say “everyone will go to Heaven” and then falsely say “but only the qualified will stay in Heaven” which is COMPLETELY WRONG, the latter part, fitting how it would come from the “latter”-day saints. Everyone will become believers in Jesus Christ through faith alone.

Romans 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ

The site also mentions “obedience”, but that’s a good work. Good works do not save us, that’s works salvation, which is completely FALSE. The TRUTH is that, to be saved, all we need is simple childlike faith in Jesus Christ, trusting in Him alone as our saviour, that’s it! When we are saved, we are born again, in the metaphorical sense that the Holy Spirit comes and permanently resides in us. Thus, when we believe in Jesus Christ to be saved, we are permanently saved! We cannot lose our salvation. Once saved always saved! And thus, all people will have the Holy Ghost come reside in them, that’s the truth. All people will come to believe in Jesus Christ and all people will go to Heaven and STAY in Heaven, PERMANENTLY!

The Mormons believe in receiving the Holy Ghost, which is having faith in Jesus Christ, which is true. Unfortunately, they lie and add good works to salvation! Wrong wrong WRONG! It is faith ALONE in Jesus Christ that saves, no good works! Yet, they include “repentance” and “baptism”.

Romans 5:18: "Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men."

John 6:33 "The Bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives Life to the WORLD."

Repentance should be correctly translated to “recognizing the need for a saviour” NOT “turning from sins”. Turning from sins is a good work, and you don’t need good works to be saved, only faith alone. Repentance really just means realizing that you have sin. And what gets rid of sin? That’s right, faith alone in Jesus Christ! Only the holy blood of Christ that was shed on the cross can wash away all of our sins! Belief, with even the smallest amount, and be saved, permanently, and all people will be saved permanently!

Galatians 5:6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith

Jeff Saunders · Jan 17, 2023

Lost Witness said:
GOD is Fully capable of compelling people to profess willingly
Look at Pharaoh the LORD got him to play ball and he never even knew he was
All Will live is true though because everyone shall be resurrected to be Judged,
Some will inherit life and some condemnation.

What is the condemnation? That’s the question I have for you

Der Alte · Jan 17, 2023

HSong said:
Luke 3:6 All flesh shall see the salvation of God

Trust in Christ. He is the Saviour of the whole world. Believe in Him and be saved. All people thus will go to Heaven. These words are truthful and guaranteed. Everybody will become believers in Jesus, amen.

I say these trusts with kindness and love my friends, as I do not wish for you all to suffer in lies, but rather to be blessed with understanding and knowledge

The Mormons, those who believe in Mormonism, believe in a universal resurrection, that is, everyone will come back to life, which is true. However, they believe that “only those qualified will be able to remain” which is FALSE. This was on a website with a quote from Russell M. Nelson, president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ

Everyone will be with God the Father in Heaven and STAY there, that’s the truth. I’ve seen people truthfully say “everyone will go to Heaven” and then falsely say “but only the qualified will stay in Heaven” which is COMPLETELY WRONG, the latter part, fitting how it would come from the “latter”-day saints. Everyone will become believers in Jesus Christ through faith alone.

Romans 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ

The site also mentions “obedience”, but that’s a good work. Good works do not save us, that’s works salvation, which is completely FALSE. The TRUTH is that, to be saved, all we need is simple childlike faith in Jesus Christ, trusting in Him alone as our saviour, that’s it! When we are saved, we are born again, in the metaphorical sense that the Holy Spirit comes and permanently resides in us. Thus, when we believe in Jesus Christ to be saved, we are permanently saved! We cannot lose our salvation. Once saved always saved! And thus, all people will have the Holy Ghost come reside in them, that’s the truth. All people will come to believe in Jesus Christ and all people will go to Heaven and STAY in Heaven, PERMANENTLY!

The Mormons believe in receiving the Holy Ghost, which is having faith in Jesus Christ, which is true. Unfortunately, they lie and add good works to salvation! Wrong wrong WRONG! It is faith ALONE in Jesus Christ that saves, no good works! Yet, they include “repentance” and “baptism”.

Romans 5:18: "Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men."

John 6:33 "The Bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives Life to the WORLD."

Repentance should be correctly translated to “recognizing the need for a saviour” NOT “turning from sins”. Turning from sins is a good work, and you don’t need good works to be saved, only faith alone. Repentance really just means realizing that you have sin. And what gets rid of sin? That’s right, faith alone in Jesus Christ! Only the holy blood of Christ that was shed on the cross can wash away all of our sins! Belief, with even the smallest amount, and be saved, permanently, and all people will be saved permanently!

Galatians 5:6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith

Classic example of quoting scripture out-of-context. Don't just read vs. 6 read all the way down to vs. 9.

Luke 3:6-9

(6) And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.

(7) Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

(8) Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

(9) And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Aussie Pete · Jan 17, 2023

Jeff Saunders said:
So UR is false because it doesn’t line up with your life? Have you even studied what the early church fathers wrote? If UR is false as you claim then why does scripture say Jesus is savior of the world not a potential savior? Why does scripture say that every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord and not say some knees will bow and some tongues will confess? Or As In Adam all die in Christ all will live, or should it say all in Adam die but a few shall be made alive in Jesus? You have to change a lot of scripture for UR to be false.

No, UR is false because it is false. I'm just glad that the man who led me to Jesus was not UR. UR misses the most vital truth of fallen man's condition. He is dead, born that way, in trespass and sin. He is separated from God. In this life, people have an opportunity to repent and receive Christ and so be made alive. The next life, either people have repented and received Christ, or they have refused. The former are welcomed into heaven because they are alive in Christ. The latter suffer the second death.

Indeed every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord. However, some will gladly confess in this life. Others will have no choice. By your understanding, Satan is saved now. He has to obey a born again Christian who commands in Jesus name. That's not what I call salvation. Satan obeys in spite of himself. Sinners will do the same when they face Lord Jesus in judgement.

Revelation 6:16 "They called to the mountains and the rocks, 'Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!' "

Even when faced with the wrath of God, many refuse to turn to Him and be saved. They prefer to run and hide. Why should that change when the person dies physically? Their bodies may be dead but they are still conscious and their nature has not changed. As they rejected God's mercy and grace in this life, so they will reject Him in the next.

Jeff Saunders · Jan 17, 2023

Aussie Pete said:
No, UR is false because it is false. I'm just glad that the man who led me to Jesus was not UR. UR misses the most vital truth of fallen man's condition. He is dead, born that way, in trespass and sin. He is separated from God. In this life, people have an opportunity to repent and receive Christ and so be made alive. The next life, either people have repented and received Christ, or they have refused. The former are welcomed into heaven because they are alive in Christ. The latter suffer the second death.

Indeed every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord. However, some will gladly confess in this life. Others will have no choice. By your understanding, Satan is saved now. He has to obey a born again Christian who commands in Jesus name. That's not what I call salvation. Satan obeys in spite of himself. Sinners will do the same when they face Lord Jesus in judgement.

Revelation 6:16 "They called to the mountains and the rocks, 'Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!' "

Even when faced with the wrath of God, many refuse to turn to Him and be saved. They prefer to run and hide. Why should that change when the person dies physically? Their bodies may be dead but they are still conscious and their nature has not changed. As they rejected God's mercy and grace in this life, so they will reject Him in the next.

I don’t understand why you believe that those who believe in UR don’t believe in the depravity of all man , that in order to be saved you must accept Jesus. Most people who are true to UR believe almost all the same as most others who believe in ECT the biggest difference is that we believe as scripture teaches that the lake of fire is not eternal but a redemption process till all the dross that has blinded people to Gods love is burned away and at the end of the age God will be all in all as it says in 1Cor 15. And no I don’t know anyone who thinks satan is saved now , I have no idea where that came from. Do you believe Jesus when he said “ no one comes to the Father except through me “ if so how did all those who lived from Adam till the cross get into heaven? They had to accept him after the mortal body died, unless you believe that there are multiple paths to the Father. So if Yahweh did it for them why can’t he do it for the rest of humanity? Show me the scripture that says you can only accept Jesus while the mortal body is alive. I find that so many people think that UR is false because they have never studied it to find out what it’s all about. Most of the church believed in Apokatastasis for the fist 300-500 years of the church.

Der Alte · Jan 17, 2023

HSong said:
When I used to believe in ECT, I was so scared and paralyzed with fear about being separated from my family members who weren't saved that, because of the false belief Eternal Conscious Torment, that I did not spread the Gospel back then as much as I do now. It's because of UR that I've been going out and evangelizing, telling to people the good news that Christ saves all. Universal Salvation through faith alone in Jesus has inspired me to go soulwinning and to preach to others the truth!

Psalms 22:27 All the ends of the earth and all the families of the nations will acknowledge God.

Universalism is the ultimate victory. Imagine how wonderful it will be for Satan (assuming they're an actual being from creation) to realize that they have sinned and come seeking Christ for forgiveness. That will really help other people heal from all the damage Satan has caused, knowing that Satan has acknowledged that what they did was bad.

1 Cor. 15:54-58 "It shall come to pass the saying that is written: `death is swallowed up in victory. Oh, Death, where is your sting Oh, Hell (Hades) where is your victory.'

Yes, in the beginning, at least 4 of the early churches believed in Universal Salvation, while 1 believed in Conditional Immortality (Annihliationism) and the 6th one believed in Eternal Conscious Torment. Christian Universalism was the majority belief at the start and it still remains true.
Isaiah 57:16 "For I will not contend forever, Nor will I always be angry; For the spirit would fail before Me, And the souls which I have made."

Yes, the LORD will never stop compelling people to willingly believe in Jesus to be saved.
Rom. 11:36 "Of Him and through Him and to Him are ALL THINGS, to whom be glory forever. Amen"

What is your source for these statements "at least 4 of the early churches believed in Universal Salvation'"Universalism was the majority belief at the start and it still remains true?"
If all mankind will willingly believe in Jesus why would Jesus have to drag anyone to Himself? John 12:32

Jeff Saunders · Jan 17, 2023

Der Alte said:
What is your source for these statements "at least 4 of the early churches believed in Universal Salvation'"Universalism was the majority belief at the start and it still remains true?"
If all mankind will willingly believe in Jesus why would Jesus have to drag anyone to Himself? John 12:32

The new Schaffer-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge. That is the source that says that out of the six schools of the early church four taught UR.

Aussie Pete · Jan 17, 2023

Jeff Saunders said:
I don’t understand why you believe that those who believe in UR don’t believe in the depravity of all man , that in order to be saved you must accept Jesus. Most people who are true to UR believe almost all the same as most others who believe in ECT the biggest difference is that we believe as scripture teaches that the lake of fire is not eternal but a redemption process till all the dross that has blinded people to Gods love is burned away and at the end of the age God will be all in all as it says in 1Cor 15. And no I don’t know anyone who thinks satan is saved now , I have no idea where that came from. Do you believe Jesus when he said “ no one comes to the Father except through me “ if so how did all those who lived from Adam till the cross get into heaven? They had to accept him after the mortal body died, unless you believe that there are multiple paths to the Father. So if Yahweh did it for them why can’t he do it for the rest of humanity? Show me the scripture that says you can only accept Jesus while the mortal body is alive. I find that so many people think that UR is false because they have never studied it to find out what it’s all about. Most of the church believed in Apokatastasis for the fist 300-500 years of the church.

I know what UR teaches. It does not address the problem of death. As far as people being saved before Jesus died and rose again, He is the Lamb of God slain before the foundation of the world. Just as the Blood of Christ reaches back to the first sin, so the death of Christ reaches back to the first sinner. Salvation in the OT is the same as the NT. By grace, through faith.

"For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” Romans 4:3

"The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and foretold the gospel to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith." Galatians 3:9

I'm not fussed about what "church fathers" believed. They gave us such doctrines as infant baptism, created the false clergy/laity divide, shunned the teaching of the Body of Christ and gave us the false, top down structure of church leadership. Protestant churches generally still are not body-centric and still have a clergy/laity divide in practice, if not in theory.

Der Alte · Jan 17, 2023

Jeff Saunders said:
The new Schaffer-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge. That is the source that says that out of the six schools of the early church four taught UR.

I have read that article but I have a problem with it. There is no supporting historical information. Here is the complete article, with a link.

Under the instruction of these great teachers many other theologians believed in universal salvation; and indeed the whole Eastern church (q.v.) until after 500 a.d. was inclined to it.

In the West this doctrine had fewer adherents and was never accepted by the church at large. In the first five or six centuries of Christianity there were six known theological schools, of which four (Alexandria [see Alexandria, School of ] Antioch, Caesaria, and Edessa of Niblis) were Universalist, one (Ephesus) accepted conditional immortality; one (Carthage of Rome) taught endless punishment

Other theological schools are mentioned as founded by Universalists, but their actual doctrine on this subject is unknown. Doederlein says that “In proportion as any man was eminent in learning in Christian antiquity, the more did he cherish and defend the hope of the termination of future torments.” In the dark ages Universalism almost disappeared, but in the ninth century it had a great representative, John Scotus Erigna (see Scotus Erigna, Johannes) who was the Chief Christian luminary of his time. In the Middle Ages some of the lesser mystics and probably Johann Tauler and Jan van Ruysbroeck (qq.v) , and one leading scholastic , (q.v.) were Universalsists. In the times of the Reformation Universalists were found among Anabaptist, Lollards, and Protestant mystics: and later there were increasing numbers of individual believers in this doctrine in all northern European countries, including such men as Kant, Schleiermacher, Ritschl and many of followers,, Archbishop Tillotson, Tennyson, the Brownings, Wordsworth, and Coleridge. (The ascription of universalism to many ancient medieval, and modern scholars of the present , probably by a majority. In many cases the expression of the “larger hope” or of doubt as to the endlessness of future punishment is all that can be fairly claimed. A.H.N.)

Philip Schaff: New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, Vol. XII: Trench - Zwingli - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

ccel.org

This is all there is, there ain't no more.

Jeff Saunders · Jan 17, 2023

Aussie Pete said:
I know what UR teaches. It does not address the problem of death. As far as people being saved before Jesus died and rose again, He is the Lamb of God slain before the foundation of the world. Just as the Blood of Christ reaches back to the first sin, so the death of Christ reaches back to the first sinner. Salvation in the OT is the same as the NT. By grace, through faith.

"For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” Romans 4:3

"The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and foretold the gospel to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith." Galatians 3:9

I'm not fussed about what "church fathers" believed. They gave us such doctrines as infant baptism, created the false clergy/laity divide, shunned the teaching of the Body of Christ and gave us the false, top down structure of church leadership. Protestant churches generally still are not body-centric and still have a clergy/laity divide in practice, if not in theory.

How could they have faith in someone who they have never heard about? Does not scripture say that we must confess with our mouth and believe in our heart that Jesus is Lord ? Or did the OT people get to just skip that part? If they were just grandfathered in then why did Jesus go to the place of the dead and preach to them? And why do you think that it doesn’t address the problem of death?

Aussie Pete · Jan 18, 2023

Jeff Saunders said:
How could they have faith in someone who they have never heard about? Does not scripture say that we must confess with our mouth and believe in our heart that Jesus is Lord ? Or did the OT people get to just skip that part? If they were just grandfathered in then why did Jesus go to the place of the dead and preach to them? And why do you think that it doesn’t address the problem of death?

Read Romans 1.
Romans 10:9 is not about the initial, born again experience. It is about the salvation of the soul.
I don't know why Jesus preached to the dead. It does not change my point of view. And if everyone gets saved anyway, why did Jesus need to preach to the imprisoned? This link has an interesting take on it:

Did Jesus Preach the Gospel to People in Hell During the Two Days He Was Dead? | Core Christianity

Does the Bible tell us where Jesus went for the three days between his crucifixion and him raising back to life?

corechristianity.com

Jeff Saunders · Jan 18, 2023

Aussie Pete said:
Read Romans 1.
Romans 10:9 is not about the initial, born again experience. It is about the salvation of the soul.
I don't know why Jesus preached to the dead. It does not change my point of view. And if everyone gets saved anyway, why did Jesus need to preach to the imprisoned? This link has an interesting take on it:

Did Jesus Preach the Gospel to People in Hell During the Two Days He Was Dead? | Core Christianity

Does the Bible tell us where Jesus went for the three days between his crucifixion and him raising back to life?

corechristianity.com

Everyone is redeemed but only by trusting in Jesus, that is why he preached to the dead they had to put their faith in Jesus to come to the Father.

Wayne Gabler · Jan 18, 2023

Jeff Saunders said:
How could they have faith in someone who they have never heard about? Does not scripture say that we must confess with our mouth and believe in our heart that Jesus is Lord ? Or did the OT people get to just skip that part? If they were just grandfathered in then why did Jesus go to the place of the dead and preach to them? And why do you think that it doesn’t address the problem of death?

Those people are from the group called 'the dead' at the Great White Throne judgment. The people the seas give up are the 6-fingerd giants God exterminated in the OT. They can be saved because all of them had mothers with 5-fingers, like Eve and the seed of Eve from the Ge:3:15 determination.

HSong · Jan 18, 2023

Jeff Saunders said:
Everyone is redeemed but only by trusting in Jesus, that is why he preached to the dead they had to put their faith in Jesus to come to the Father.

Exactly! This is true. Why else would Jesus preach to the dead if their fate was already sealed? Jesus will come down to Sheol, the realm of the dead, and empty it out, bringing everyone there to Heaven, New Jerusalem.

Psalm 139:8 If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in Sheol, you are there.

Psalm 16:10 You will not leave my soul in Sheol.

Psalm 86:13 For thy true love stands high above me; thou hast rescued my soul from the depths of Sheol.

These three verses tell the story of Sheol. As in, 1) Person in Sheol, God is there. 2) God does not leave Person in Sheol 3) God saves Person from Sheol.

HSong · Jan 18, 2023

Aussie Pete said:
everyone gets saved

People are only saved, aka washed of all their sins, by believing in Jesus Christ with faith alone. Jesus preaches to people to convince them to believe in Him and be saved.

Universalism states that everybody will eventually come to believe in Christ Jesus with faith only and be saved. Thus, all people washed of their sins and go to Heaven.

Psalm NEB 138:8 The Lord will accomplish His purpose for me. Thy true love, 0 Lord, endures for ever, leave not thy work unfinished.

HSong · Jan 18, 2023

Trust in Jesus Christ, our Saviour, and be saved, by faith alone. All people will become believers in Christ Jesus through this way and thus the entire world, everyone, will go to Heaven and be saved.

Hebrews 9:26 “He has put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself”

The Seventh Day Adventists believe in Sola Scriptura, which is a fancy way of saying, the Bible only, which is good. All scripture is breathed out by good and profitable for teaching and rebuking (as I use it to rebuke false religions). As a warning, many human man made versions of the Bible have translation issues, like mistranslating “aionios” and “olam” as “forever” which is FALSE, rather than truthfully as “pertaining to an age” , which is CORRECT. So the true word of God is the original Hebrew and Greek scriptures. English translations are just a way for us to understand this, a man made tool of understanding God’s truth, and a tool can be faulty or correct, so it’s best to consult multiple different English translations to get a better understanding of the truth, that Jesus Christ saves all and all will be saved by faith alone in Him.

John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

The Seventh Day Adventists believe that Jesus Christ is God, that the Lord is God and that the Holy Ghost is God which is good. They call it the Trinity, which is a hotly debated topic, but you can use any term you want to better understand what the scriptures say is true. I will not confirm nor deny the concept of the Trinity, as a lot of it is a mystery. But what’s true is Christ, the Lord and the Holy Ghost are God. Again, refer to the man made tool example I provided above, which reflects my thoughts on just all similar man made terms and concepts.

Galatians 3:8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.”

The Seventh Day Adventists also believe in once saved always saved that the Holy Spirit permanently is wrapped in the believer, which is true.

Now let’s examine the writings of Mrs. Ellen G. White, the founder of the Seventh Day Adventist Church and Dr. D. Anderson-Berry.

Mrs. Ellen G. White, the founder of the Seventh Day Adventist Church, has said in her own writings “The blood of Christ, pleaded in behalf of penitent believers, secured their pardon and acceptance with the Father, yet their sins still remained upon the books of record”

The last part is FALSE. The Blood of Christ washes away ALL sins when a person believes! That means, everyone who believes and has their sins all washed away are considered righteous before the Lord!

James 2:23 And the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”—and he was called a friend of God.

Abraham was considered righteous by trusting in God to save Him by faith alone!

John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

The wages of sin is death. When we believe in Christ, ALL of our sins are washed away! Thus, we have no wage of sin to pay because we have no sin. But Mrs. White contradicts herself by saying “yet their sins still remained upon the books of record” which is FALSE.

“As in typical service there was a work of atonement at the close of the year, so before Christ's work for redemption of men is completed, there is a work of atonement for the removal of sin from the sanctuary.” - Mrs. Ellen G. White. The last part is FALSE. Christ’s sacrifice on the cross has already paid for the wages of sin, which is death. That’s why Jesus died, and then was resurrected 3 days later! He paid for the wage of sin, death! But here, it falsely adds work salvation! There is absolutely zero, work needed for man, to be saved. Our good works are like filthy rags! We must believe in Jesus Christ to be saved with FAITH ALONE. This is TRUE. Once again, the best way to hide a lie is between two truths!

Psalm 13:5 I trust in your unfailing love; my heart rejoices in your salvation.

“When Christ, by virtue of His own blood, removes the sins of His people from the heavenly sanctuary at the close of His ministration, He will place them upon Satan, who in the execution of the judgment must bear the final penalty.” - Mrs. Ellen G. White. The last part is FALSE. Christ paid the penalty for ALL SINS. Christ died on the Cross, not Satan! Christ already paid for the final penalty of sin, which is death! That’s why it’s proclaimed “It is finished”. That’s why when we believe in Jesus Christ with faith alone, all of our sins are instantly washed away by the blood Christ Jesus bled on the cross. Satan is not our saviour, only Jesus Christ is our saviour. That’s the only name under Heaven by which we can be saved. Only Christ Jesus paid for all the sins of the whole world.

Psalm 103:22 Praise the Lord, all his works everywhere in His dominion. (NIV)

1 Corinthians 15:22 "In Christ shall all be made alive"

There’s plenty more writing, but this shows that it’s better to trust God than to trust Man (Adam = Man, Hebrew, descendants of Adam). Let every man be a liar, and let only God be true. So, it’s best to go to the Bible directly and examine it, looking between different translations of the Hebrew and Greek to reach the truth.

John 1:29 NIV “The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!”

Aussie Pete · Jan 19, 2023

HSong said:
People are only saved, aka washed of all their sins, by believing in Jesus Christ with faith alone. Jesus preaches to people to convince them to believe in Him and be saved.

Universalism states that everybody will eventually come to believe in Christ Jesus with faith only and be saved. Thus, all people washed of their sins and go to Heaven.

Psalm NEB 138:8 The Lord will accomplish His purpose for me. Thy true love, 0 Lord, endures for ever, leave not thy work unfinished.

I know what universalism states. I do not agree with it, because I cannot see it in God's word.

Der Alte · Jan 19, 2023

HSong said:
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1 Corinthians 15:22 "In Christ shall all be made alive"
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1 Cor 15:22 is often quoted out-of-context by UR-ites as if it says, "all will be made alive in Christ!"
But the very next vs. 23 clearly shows that vs. 22 does NOT say all will be made alive in Christ!
First vs. 22 begins "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." All mankind are inherently "in Adam" because all mankind are literal descendants of Adam.
But all mankind are not "in Christ." To be "in Christ" each person must make a knowledgeable, decision in this life.
As I said ""even so in Christ" shall all be made alive. then vs. 23 says "But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming." Christ first, afterward, NOT all mankind, but only those who already belong to Christ when He returns.

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