can someone explain, or give me a good resource that summarizes why the RCC is against the death penalty, even when God commands it in some situations?
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Just a comment, but Jesus wouldnt have ordered anyone killed. "Whoever hasnt sinned throw the first stone"
The death penality was OT stuff.
The death penality was OT stuff.
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No its not. Thats why I put Roms 13 there.
Now Jesus did stop a lynching from happening, and it went deeper than that. She was considered the lowest, because she was a prostitute. So a lynching certainly didn't have the attitude of meekness.
But Jesus told her, go and sin no more. Becuase forgiveness is there, but so is the law.
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Don't quote me on this, the "god of all knowledge" Wols, can verify maybe if I don't know what it is that I am saying but I don't believe that the death penalty is condemned by the Church. In fact I believe it is the belief of the pope that says it should only be necessary in situations where there is no hope for the safety of the general public. IMO, Charles Manson should go because from his cell he is still influencing evil and he needs to go.
Don't quote me on this, the "god of all knowledge" Wols, can verify maybe if I don't know what it is that I am saying but I don't believe that the death penalty is condemned by the Church. In fact I believe it is the belief of the pope that says it should only be necessary in situations where there is no hope for the safety of the general public. IMO, Charles Manson should go because from his cell he is still influencing evil and he needs to go.
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soul: I think you misunderstand what Christ said in that instance. His point is, that if you are going to bring condemnation against some one for THEIR sin, you better be prepared to answer for your OWN. Let's not forget that Christ is the SAME GOD who commanded death for the crime of murder.
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From the Catechism:
2267 The traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude, presupposing full ascertainment of the identity and responsibility of the offender, recourse to the DEATH PENALTY when this is the only practicable way to defend the lives of human beings effectively against the aggressor.
'If, instead, bloodless means are sufficient to defend against the aggressor and to protect the safety of persons, public authority should limit itself to such means, because they better correspond to the concrete conditions of the common good and are more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.
'Today, in fact, given the means at the State's disposal to effectively repress crime by rendering inoffensive the one who has committed it, without depriving him definitively of the possibility of redeeming himself, cases of absolute necessity for suppression of the offender 'today ... are very rare, if not practically non-existent.'
2267 The traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude, presupposing full ascertainment of the identity and responsibility of the offender, recourse to the DEATH PENALTY when this is the only practicable way to defend the lives of human beings effectively against the aggressor.
'If, instead, bloodless means are sufficient to defend against the aggressor and to protect the safety of persons, public authority should limit itself to such means, because they better correspond to the concrete conditions of the common good and are more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.
'Today, in fact, given the means at the State's disposal to effectively repress crime by rendering inoffensive the one who has committed it, without depriving him definitively of the possibility of redeeming himself, cases of absolute necessity for suppression of the offender 'today ... are very rare, if not practically non-existent.'
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I believe that the Church has come as close to condemning capital punishment as it can without actually doing it. The Holy Father has said, (to the effect that) The death penalty is the absolute last recourse when all else has failed and there is no other option.
In Christ, Patrick
In Christ, Patrick
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