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Just ranting, but you do subscribe to a Revived Roman empire/ 10 nation EU Beast right?
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Just ranting, but you do subscribe to a Revived Roman empire/ 10 nation EU Beast right?I never subscribed to any of those, Ronald. I don't have a specific candidate for the little horn in mind.
Hi Ronald, yes, the EU having ten kings leaders - but not ten nations. I don't see the EU reducing down from 28 member states to 10 member states. It could happen, but unlikely in my opinion.Just ranting, but you do subscribe to a Revived Roman empire/ 10 nation EU Beast right?
No, I didn't disregard those verses. The person does not become the beast until the last 42 months of the 7 years - which during that period of time he will control the entire world. Those ten European leaders will be ruling the entire world with him. Not just the EU, compared as when he first starts outMark51,
You left out the next verses which disqualify kings that ruled in the past. All of these leaders of the Beast are given power during the Great Tribulation for one hour. And I suppose are destroyed just as quickly by Jesus.
"The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the Beast. These are of one mind and they will give their power and authority to the beast." Rev. 17:12, 13
Totally disagree with your interpretation. No need to go round and round. You are entitled to your view. Islam is on the stage RIGHT NOW! Russia is moving in RIGHT NOW! Three leaders have been plucked out of their kingdoms recently: Saddam, Qadhafi, Mubarek. They are trying to pluck Assad out but it won't work with Russia there. Bin Laden may have been one of the three instead of Saddam but nevertheless, these leaders were significant. A treaty (although not called one) was just made with Iran/Ayattolah. This is the stage being set RIGHT NOW and you are waiting for the EU or some false leader to take over Israel? I don't think so, pal. Please, though, I really don't want to continue this argument, didn't want to last year or the year before.No, I didn't disregard those verses. The person does not become the beast until the last 42 months of the 7 years - which during that period of time he will control the entire world. Those ten European leaders will be ruling the entire world with him. Not just the EU, compared as when he first starts out
When the person first starts out, he will be the little horn leader of the EU. Then he becomes the King of Israel, because the Jews will believe he is their messiah following Gog/Magog. Then he becomes convinced that he has achieved God-hood, betrays the Jews and the Sinai covenant by going into the temple claiming to be God... revealing himself to be the man of sin.
The Jews reject him as continuing as their King, and God has the person killed for his audacious act. After the person is killed, God in disdain for him brings him back alive that the end times can be concluded, which includes the prosecution of Satan and the downfall of his kingdom. Brought back to life that last 42 months as the beast, the original ten kings buy into his claim to be God - reinforced by his coming back alive, which is the strong delusion that God sends in 2thessalonians2 that they should believe a lie.
So the ten kings pledge their kingdom - the EU - to him, now the beast, to carry out his agenda of subjugating the entire world.
Totally disagree with your interpretation. No need to go round and round. You are entitled to your view. Islam is on the stage RIGHT NOW! Russia is moving in RIGHT NOW! Three leaders have been plucked out of their kingdoms recently: Saddam, Qadhafi, Mubarek. They are trying to pluck Assad out but it won't work with Russia there. Bin Laden may have been one of the three instead of Saddam but nevertheless, these leaders were significant. A treaty (although not called one) was just made with Iran/Ayattolah. This is the stage being set RIGHT NOW and you are waiting for the EU or some false leader to take over Israel? I don't think so, pal. Please, though, I really don't want to continue this argument, didn't want to last year or the year before.
Satan has been moving and active in the Middle East, from the onset of the Arab Spring revolts starting in Tunisia, Dec. 2010, Yemen a month later, Libya, Egypt and Syria all within a few months, setting it on fire. When you hear the Ayatollah speak words like "death to America", "death to Israel", he is absolutely influenced and guided by Satan. The Palestinians/Hamas have the same influence and hence cannot agree on peace. Satan cannot agree with God or God's people, so they display hate and anger and willful defiance to destroy them -- it's the only natural inclination, because they are his. ISIS persecutes Christians (tens of thousands); Islam worldwide persecutes Christians (millions) -- this is all the work of Satan. He plucked out those leaders (God allowed this of course). He will eventually possess the antichrist in full force and then we will know!Well Russia is moving in right now. Early stages of Gog/Magog.
The little horn is the one who is supposed to pluck out three kings - but you don't have a single person removing Saddam, Qadhafi , Mubarek - for anyone to have filled the role as the little horn.
The little horn is a leader who becomes possessed by Satan. How else could he do supernatural things that the world fears -- "Who can go against him?" The Beast is Satan's manifestation of himself, his control over these nations ... his slaves do his will, which is to persecute Christians and Jews, lie and devour everyone and everything that is good.Naw, the little horn is not Satan.
When I saw deadly wound to the head I was thinking more in the literal sense. The Antichrist being a man who receives a mortal wound to the head yet lives and all r amazed and follow him. Then there's the false prophet who is probably a religious leader who condones the Antichrist. Then Antichrist takes over with peace pact good for three and a half yrs. Then he will show his real self. I was speculating on what the wound to the head may be. From the posts it doesn't seem that's the view of most. Should I b in another forum or is this point of view acceptable here. Posts were very interesting indeed
I did too. I thought this leader, the antichrist, would be shot and not necessary killed but maybe in a comma and then 3 days later, be possessed by Satan and come to life, now with supernatural powers. If he died, they would probably embalm him before the three days so that wouldn't work. ???When I saw deadly wound to the head I was thinking more in the literal sense. The Antichrist being a man who receives a mortal wound to the head yet lives and all r amazed and follow him. Then there's the false prophet who is probably a religious leader who condones the Antichrist. Then Antichrist takes over with peace pact good for three and a half yrs. Then he will show his real self. I was speculating on what the wound to the head may be. From the posts it doesn't seem that's the view of most. Should I b in another forum or is this point of view acceptable here. Posts were very interesting indeed
All I was saying is that the little horn himself is not Satan.The little horn is a leader who becomes possessed by Satan. How else could he do supernatural things that the world fears -- "Who can go against him?" The Beast is Satan's manifestation of himself, his control over these nations ... his slaves do his will, which is to persecute Christians and Jews, lie and devour everyone and everything that is good.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
You are definitely in the right forum.When I saw deadly wound to the head I was thinking more in the literal sense. The Antichrist being a man who receives a mortal wound to the head yet lives and all r amazed and follow him. Then there's the false prophet who is probably a religious leader who condones the Antichrist. Then Antichrist takes over with peace pact good for three and a half yrs. Then he will show his real self. I was speculating on what the wound to the head may be. From the posts it doesn't seem that's the view of most. Should I b in another forum or is this point of view acceptable here. Posts were very interesting indeed
Gog/Magog of Ezekiel 38 and 39 will take place right before the beginning of the 7 years, because the little horn's pre-activity to that conflict will make the Jews believe he is the messiah after Gog/Magog is over.Interesting! So Gog and Magog
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All I was saying is that the little horn himself is not Satan.
When the little horn, then later becomes the King of Israel perceived messiah, then commits the act that reveals himself to be the man of sin - for the committing of that act, for a short time will be entered into by Satan. Whether that is literal, or figure of speech is not for certain.
But because the man of sin is also called the son of perdition in 2thessalonians2, we have the clue going back to Judas also called the son of perdition as Satan entered him to likewise carry out an act of betrayal. But it was for a brief period, because not soon afterward, Judas was overwhelmed that he had betrayed an innocent man. Of course, there will be no re-morse with the man of sin in his betrayal.
Once the person becomes the beast, in part, he will be empowered by the unclean spirit ascending out of the bottomless pit, who will possess him.
Of course, all of the resources of Satan's kingdom will be at his disposal since he will be carrying out Satan's agenda. But actually being possessed by Satan full time during that 42 months - not so.
Satan during that time restricted to earth, will be free roaming on the planet, and imo at times will possess the statue image of the beast to make it appear to transform into a living thing - which demands everyone to worship it, really Satan. To fulfill Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
We have further evidence that Satan will possess the statue image from Ezekiel 28.
So Satan is going to be visible for the whole world to see at some point. We aren't given direct language in Revelation regarding what happens to the statue image. But we can put together the pieces, I think.
When Jesus returns, the brightness of His Coming will melt away the outer appearance of the statue image bringing it to ashes, like a facade, and there will be Satan on the Temple mount. It will be a climatic moment in the history of the world. I think it will cause such a gasp and silence that a person will be able to hear a pin drop. When the lone angel then descends and binds Satan in chains and takes him away.
I am sure that television will be involved. But since television has been around since the 1950's and no mark of the beast, nor 666 requirement came along with it - then no, I would not think television itself is the image/statue. It has to be something supernatural, unbelievable without seeing it actually happening - which a lifeless statue coming to life would impart that people would be induced to worship it, I would think.Did you ever think that the image/statue that he makes talk, is actually a television. How could everyone see and worship an image of the antichrist unless it was broadcast to the world on big screens? These prophetic visions of a television image thousands of years ago could only be described that way.
We shall she -- actually, hope to be gone by then.
Um ,,, not TV, the antichrist on TV -- like when you are watching Obama's speech. This is how everyone will see and worship him -- otherwise you would have to be in his presence.I am sure that television will be involved. But since television has been around since the 1950's and no mark of the beast, nor 666 requirement came along with it - then no, I would not think television itself is the image/statue. It has to be something supernatural, unbelievable without seeing it actually happening - which a lifeless statue coming to life would impart that people would be induced to worship it, I would think.
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