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The Vatican gets destroyed by the ten kings, not for denying that Jesus is God and the messiah, but just the opposite as the Vatican maintains that position and will be an impediment to the beast, and his ten kings which will claim that he is God instead. You can't see that?You know something, from a technical point of view, you are correct. However, beware of Wikipedia since anyone can post to it, whether the information is correct or not. It is a starting point only.
The following is from the Encyclopedia Britannica, which is a much more reliable source.
"Papacy: the office and jurisdiction of the bishop of Rome, the pope (Latin papa, from Greek pappas, “father”), who presides over the central government of the Roman Catholic Church, the largest of the three major branches of Christianity. The term pope was originally applied to all the bishops in the West and also used to describe the patriarch of Alexandria, who still retains the title. In 1073, however, Pope Gregory VII restricted its use to the bishop of Rome, confirming a practice that had existed since the 9th century..."
We also have to be careful of the word "Catholic", because it does not always refer to the RCC.
You have always attempted to downplay the possibility of the RCC being involved in endtime events, because you have another point of view and you will probably never agree with Dave Hunt and me on this issue.
However, Rome is the city on 7 hills. Somebody even wrote a song about it.
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The Vatican gets destroyed by the ten kings, not for denying that Jesus is God and the messiah, but just the opposite as the Vatican maintains that position and will be an impediment to the beast, and his ten kings which will claim that he is God instead. You can't see that?
It is related to the fall of Satan and his final demise, along with those who follow him...
Isa 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
Isa 14:17That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
Isa 14:18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
Isa 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
Isa 14:20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.
Isa 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
Everything must be viewed in context, otherwise it is like looking at only one thread from a large tapestry.
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Thanks for your reply. Yes I did read the whole context, but it was the part I posted that puzzled me since the discussion is about a deadly head wound
of the antichrist. It seemed to me that Isaiah is talking to/of someone who will be kicked out of the grave here.
I am learning from reading you guys, but I have a question. I think it may be related to the topic. What in your opinion did the prophet Isaiah mean by this scripture? Was he speaking to the Antichrist?
Isaiah 14:18-20New International Version (NIV)
18 All the kings of the nations lie in state,
each in his own tomb.
19 But you are cast out of your tomb
like a rejected branch;
you are covered with the slain,
with those pierced by the sword,
those who descend to the stones of the pit.
Like a corpse trampled underfoot,
20 you will not join them in burial,
for you have destroyed your land
and killed your people.
Let the offspring of the wicked
never be mentioned again.
It is talking about the Antichrist. But the Pope doesn't fit does he, destroying his land and slaying his people? That's because the Pope is not the Antichrist.It is related to the fall of Satan and his final demise, along with those who follow him...
Isa 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
Isa 14:17That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
Isa 14:18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
Isa 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
Isa 14:20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.
Isa 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
Everything must be viewed in context, otherwise it is like looking at only one thread from a large tapestry.
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Wow! Thanks. That clears it up a lot.Isaiah himself probably did not know, but Isaiah was speaking on the behalf of God Who does know.
The person being spoken about in those verses is the Antichrist, the coming perceived King of Israel messiah by the Jews - who becomes apostate and betrays his own people the Jews and his own land Israel when he becomes convinced in his heart that he has achieved God-hood.
How does he end up dead in place of the dead in Isaiah 14? It is because of the audacious act he commits of going into the temple "sitting" in the seat of God claiming to be God.
Now if you go to Ezekiel 28:1-10, it says what happens. The person is code named the prince of tyre, but it is talking about the man of sin. God has him killed. That's how he ends up in the place of the dead in Isaiah 14. But he doesn't stay dead for long, because God in disdain for the person brings him back to life..... as the mortally wounded and recovered head in Revelation 13. To be judged and cast alive into the lake of fire, 42 months later, as God prosecutes Satan during that time as well casting him down to earth - same Ezekiel 28, but the king of Tyrus.
Prince of Tyre - first half of Ezekiel 28 - the man of sin (the gone bad King of Israel Antichrist)
King of Tyrus - second half of Ezekiel 28 (Satan, the gone bad anointed cherub )
The Pope may not be the Antichrist, but he could qualify as the false prophet imho.It is talking about the Antichrist. But the Pope doesn't fit does he, destroying hiis land and slaying his people? That's because the Pope is not the Antichrist.
The Pope may not be the Antichrist, but he could qualify as the false prophet imho.
The RCC has twisted theology in their claim that the Pope is the vicar of Christ. But that in itself doesn't fit the definition of antichrist - because it is not denying Father and Son; it is not denying Jesus is God come in the flesh, it is not denying that Jesus is God.
Anyone who allows Christians to bow down to him, is antichrist.
Some say Peter was the first pope.
Did Peter allow Cornelius to bow down to him?
Act 10:25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
Act 10:26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.
Rev 22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
Rev 22:9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
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The Beast is not a revived Roman Empire, it is currently manifested as Islam. Iran can be viewed as part iron and ISIS, part clay. Islam is not in total unity, but it's soul purpose is to convert the entire world - not by love, but by force. It is evident in the spread of their religions over the centuries and now.In the image from the Book of Daniel, the part of the statue that is in place just before Christ grinds it to powder, is the part made of Iron and clay, which many understand to be Rome.
Dan_2:34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.
Dan_2:35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
Dan_2:40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.
Dan_2:41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
Dan_2:42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
Dan_2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
Dan_2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
During the time of Christ's earthly ministry Rome controlled most of the known world through the leadership of the Caesars. Later after the reign of Constantine, Rome came to rule the world again through the Papacy.
Some have viewed this as a healing of a deadly head wound.
The Reformers identified the Papacy to be the antichrist system of scripture.
The pope was a man who sat in the Church and allowed Christians to bow down to him and claimed to speak for God.
A number of years ago author Dave Hunt wrote a book titled "A Woman Rides the Beast" in which he proposed the same idea.
At the Council of Trent the Papacy initiated the Counter Reformation in an attempt to take the focus away from the Papacy.
Two new systems of interpretation came out of the Council of Trent.
The Jesuit Riberra came up with a Futurist system that has evolved into modern Dispensational Futurism, which has overtaken the evangelical Church in America.
It claims there are Two Peoples of God with Two separate Plans.
Some even claim that Grace will end at a pretrib removal of the Church and propose that the Jews will go back to keeping the Law in a rebuilt temple with renewed animal sacrifices.
The Jesuit Alcazar came up the a Preterist system that has now evolved into Full-Preterism, which denies the future Second Coming of Christ and a future resurrection of the body. It is considered heretical by many Christians.
The current pope is attempting to heal the wound of the Reformation and reclaim the Papacy's lost daughters...
This videoclip comes from an SDA website.
This post is not meant to advocate for that organization.
By who? Who plucked out Mubraek, Qudafi, and Hussein ?he three horns that were plucked out and the little horn surfacing as the antichrist. Mubarek, Qudafi and Hussein were just plucked out were they not.
Who beheaded John the baptist? Muslims? I think not.Their signature is in Rev. 20:4, "...then I saw the souls of those who have been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their foreheads or on their hands..." The mark may very well be the symbol of Islam. ???
The Beast is not a revived Roman Empire, it is currently manifested as Islam. Iran can be viewed as part iron and ISIS, part clay. Islam is not in total unity, but it's soul purpose is to convert the entire world - not by love, but by force. It is evident in the spread of their religions over the centuries and now.
Their signature is in Rev. 20:4, "...then I saw the souls of those who have been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their foreheads or on their hands..." The mark may very well be the symbol of Islam. ???
"When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who have been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, 'How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth? ... until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren who would be killed as they were, was completed." Rev. 6:9-11. Then the controversial verse in the news is next, Rev. 6:12 - the Blood Moon on Sept 28 and then a solar eclipse in March, 2016.
If you were a Christian living in any of these Islamic nations, you would think you are in the Great Tribulation, or at least the beginning of it. Revived Roman Empire -- not much time for that scenario, the fireworks are about to start.
All prophecies point to Israel as being in the center of troubles during this time. Many nations come against Israel as well - these being mostly Muslim nations. Many of the prophecies support this. The three horns that were plucked out and the little horn surfacing as the antichrist. Mubarek, Qudafi and Hussein were just plucked out were they not. They are working on Assad, but these nations reflect the nations in Ezek as well: Togarmah, Persia, Cush, Putt, Gomer, Meschec and Tubal, are all present day Islamic nations. Russia is also supporting Iran and Syria. Now they are setting up a base in Syria. Why can't people see this? They have always been 'antichrist" and anti-Semitic as well.
I suspect that since this Iranian Deal is going down, Israel will soon take matters in their own hands and then "all nations will come against Israel". Israel may have those 30 ton bunker busters (if the US recently sold them these) to do the job and that will certainly ignite WWIII. The EU will not produce any antichrist. However, Obama is a pawn in all this and I do not believe he is a Christian or a Muslim. He was just ordained to set the stage for all this that is about to happen.
Who beheaded John the baptist? Muslims? I think not.
Leader of the Roman Empire - yes. But not the Pope. The little horn will be the 7th king of the Julio-Claudians (Nero was the last one), also will be a Jew. The EU, not the RCC and Vatican, is the end times Roman Empire.I believe it was the Romans who beheaded the Apostle Paul and murdered thousands of our Brothers and Sisters in the Roman Coliseum.
And who was it that imprisoned the Apostle John on the Island of Patmos, where he wrote the Book of Revelation?
Let's see... that was also the Romans...
Dave Hunt's book: A Woman Rides the Beast
I believe it was the Romans who beheaded the Apostle Paul and murdered thousands of our Brothers and Sisters in the Roman Coliseum.
And who was it that imprisoned the Apostle John on the Island of Patmos, where he wrote the Book of Revelation?
Let's see... that was also the Romans...
Dave Hunt's book: A Woman Rides the Beast
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