Darwin's evolution theory?

(Human):anything they can do
we can do better

(Monkey):anything they can do we can do better (hmm looks like he forgot something)

(Human) No YOU CANT!
(Monkey) YES WE CAN
(Human)No You CANT!
(Monkey) Yes WE CAN

HUMAN: NO YOU CANT!!!!!


MONKEY: YES WE>>>SPLAT!!!!!

hehe ( i think up the weirdest things at 1am)

What is it with the evolutionist you seem to not grasp th whole concept of god can do anything you think that since the worldly point of view says somethjing then its right heres a hint we can be decieved our minds and our eyes can be decieved and i knwo you evolutionist are being decieved and yes i know you are going ot say a thousand things but you knwo i dotn care god knew what the people were going to right in the bible he knew the bible would be translated different ways so obviously that was his plan and he knew that soemday christians would be against christians because of this dont call em arrogant because you knwo what im tired of that come up with something else besides the worlds scientists say that because you knwo what the person who wrote Genesis is smaterer than them.

Folks, I hate to point this out, but zebras on bikes and squashed monkeys allow the topic to get away from actual discussion. And honestly actual discussion is not bad on this topic because it is not nearly as one sided as some make it appear.

eh7 said:

Do Christians believe in Darwin's evolution theory? And should Christians believe it? Do christians deny the evolution theory totally?

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About one third are theistic evolutionists. They believe that God used evolution as a part of creation.

Should they believe it? It is all man made and just like everything else produced by man, it has limited use and application. A lot of it is based on observation, and I have no doubt what they are observing is real, I just question man's ability to be able to observe and comment on what they saw.

GraceInHim said:

not only that but why cant humans get pregnant by Apes??? Look at the animals which have become - pugapoo - mixed mutts - I think there was a zebra with a horse LOL

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Short answer: because no other type of ape bothers mating with a human (or is it the other way around), so we don't know what the result is. As far as I know, there are no volunteers, nor is there any funding for this type of project.

ArchangelGabriel said:

well lets pretend that im only in 9th grade biology for a sec _couldyou give me the condensd clip notes or something

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I am amazed that you made it to the 9th grade with that sense of humour.

There is no condensed clip go read and educate yourself.

Try: http://www.talkorigins.org/ or http://wiki.cotch.net/index.php/Main_Page or the best page for a n00b: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/index.shtml

eh7 said:

Hi, there is someone who scolds us christians for denying theory of evolutions or to stand so strongly with the bible. I wonder people here got any comments.

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that was the worst defense of evolution i've ever read

tall73 said:

Folks, I hate to point this out, but zebras on bikes and squashed monkeys allow the topic to get away from actual discussion. And honestly actual discussion is not bad on this topic because it is not nearly as one sided as some make it appear.

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not getting away from just taking a small break
plus it was like 1:30 and no one was anywhere to be seen

Cronic said:

I am amazed that you made it to the 9th grade with that sense of humour.

There is no condensed clip go read and educate yourself.

Try: http://www.talkorigins.org/ or http://wiki.cotch.net/index.php/Main_Page or the best page for a n00b: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/index.shtml

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yeah good thing im smart

ok but those links all go to evolutionist sites not purely anatomy site maybe taxology sites idk(not sure what that is) just thaught you should know

coolstylinstud said:

What is it with the evolutionist you seem to not grasp th whole concept of god can do anything you think that since the worldly point of view says somethjing then its right heres a hint we can be decieved our minds and our eyes can be decieved and i knwo you evolutionist are being decieved and yes i know you are going ot say a thousand things but you knwo i dotn care god knew what the people were going to right in the bible he knew the bible would be translated different ways so obviously that was his plan and he knew that soemday christians would be against christians because of this dont call em arrogant because you knwo what im tired of that come up with something else besides the worlds scientists say that because you knwo what the person who wrote Genesis is smaterer than them.

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We were actually discussing this issue in church last night. Basically, here is what we came to:

We all believe that God Created. That is an undisbutable statement. What we do not know is HOW He created. However, we do see that God has a habit of working "hidden", if you will, behind material, physical things: water, bread & wine, a baby in a manger. Why is it so inconceivable that in this case He chose to work through the natural processes that He Himself instituted (ie., evolution)? Genesis states that God raised Adam from the dust of the Earth. It does not say how he did so, or how long it took.

At the end however, it doesn't really matter. Genesis is merely the introduction, much like Revelation is the ending. It is what is in between that matters; the "climax", to use a literary term, took place on the Cross. If somebody produces indisputable proof that the earth is 6000 years old, it will not change my faith one bit. If someone produces proof that evolucation is true, and no one can deny it, it will not change my faith one bit. For those who say that a literal 6 day creation is the bedrock of their faith, I say, think again.

ArchangelGabriel said:

yeah good thing im smart

ok but those links all go to evolutionist sites not purely anatomy site maybe taxology sites idk(not sure what that is) just thaught you should know

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Taxonomy is a quite complicated science I would suggest a university course or a good textbook. If you have the basics here is a nice database of the classification of life: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=Taxonomy

Also there is a problem, if you want to learn about evolution you HAVE to go to an evolution site. I didn't learn about Christianity from an Atheist site can you see my point?

ArchangelGabriel said:

wel im not going to harp on the see there not the same thing becasue im sure your tired of that but
1) is there actually a way of losing DNA after some many generations?

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Not sure what you mean here.

ArchangelGabriel said:

2)i think this may be another example of where there is a alternative so that there will be a choice for our free will to decide

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What is the alternative?

ArchangelGabriel said:

3)yes apes displaying hman skills not huamn displaying ape skills

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Um...the point was that if apes are able to do some of the things humans are able to do...maybe they weren't "human skills" after all...maybe when we are using a hammer, we're actually displaying an "ape skill", albeit with a much more sophisticated tool.

ArchangelGabriel said:

Proverbs 3:5
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

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Mama always told me not to argue with a fudementalist...will I never learn?

ArchangelGabriel said:

1) whats a billion years to Gods eternity

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ArchangelGabriel said:

2) i didnt even know taht i was a creationist/ that i am a creationist unti l i saw this thread so im not sure wehre the 6000 years omes from, maybe theres some sort of weird meeting where this is decided i dont know , i dont seem to have recieved taht memo

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Perhaps you should read up on a movement before you become part of it. The 6000 years comes from taking the evidence in the Bible, the geneologies, places where it says "and 40 years passed", etc, and putting them on a timeline. It goes back about 6000 years, IIRC.

ArchangelGabriel said:

3)well im glad you asked becasue now i dont have to use complete sentences

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ArchangelGabriel said:

i dont see how im supposed to call something old or young that is first of all completly unique and there is no other example of young or old symbols

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We know what "young" rock looks like and what "old" rock looks like. When a volcano erupts, it creates "new" rock. When there is a rockslide and part of a mountain falls off, we see "new" rock. We can look at the Moon, where there is no water or wind erosion, and see what mountain ridges look like when they are "new". Then we can look at the Earth and say "hm, it looks different...".

ArchangelGabriel said:

i dont want to think that its old because of all tahts happened on it because then im looking at it from a humans power not a higher force
and furthermore if you use Gods timeline then it can have a age becasue there really cant be measurement in eternity
what is old anyways? is it based on the life expectinsy of the planet? because i dont know what that is

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ArchangelGabriel said:

(well like the rain but ill just leave taht out for irelevenc purposes)
-depends on alot of things though
-where are they getting there info?
-what incentives are involved?
-why did that one person disagree?
the majority of the world tells me that if i jump i will come right back down due to gravity
and since they have tested so many times that its a law they can all independently assume that i will fall
but the first time that i get stuck in the air or keep going up, its instantly shown that im right, yeah theres a possiblity that there on to something but you cant assume that there right

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Wow.

Ok, I'm choosing not to debate with you any more. I can handle the content of your posts, but the form makes my head hurt.

If only there was a reliable, trustworthy observer present at creation, then we would know for sure whether it was literally 6 days or millions of years....

Oh wait, we do!

His name is God, the father of Christ. Maybe you know Him? Billions throughout history will report that he is reliable and trustworthy and His word records that he is trustworthy.

Numbers 23:19 - "God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?"

God didn't lie and tell us one story instead of the true one. God didn't change his mind and decide that the creation story sounded better than millions of years of death and destruction to bring about human beings. God speaks and then acts. He said, "Let there be light" and it was so. Christ is faithful to forgive you of your sins when you ask him to. His promises WILL be fufilled. He swore a sacred covenant with Abraham that his descendants would be like the sands of the sea and the messiah would come from his descent and it was fulfilled. Christ also promised to come again.

The Bible records that God is just, faithful, and trustworthy. Also, the Bible records that he was present at creation. Therefore, we have a reliable observer (and active participant) of creation. So, scientifically, I would say that His story is the right one.

Can evolutionists claim all this? NO! They pulled a few bones out of the ground and used some speculative dating methods to tell us that the world is really billions of years old. There is no reliable observer.

The difference is this: If you had a snack lying on a table and you went into another room and came back and saw that it was gone and your bestest friend said that the cat ran up and ate it, then you would look at the evidence and maybe see some fingerprints and some crumbs and perphaps conclude that your bestest friend is lying OR your bestest friend is telling the truth and cat ran up and ate it but she tried unsucessfully to discourage it. The question is: Do you believe your very reliable friend or just the evidence alone which tells a very different story?

I have faith that God inspired Moses to write the TRUE story and not some fairy tale. It is the same faith that I have that God sent his only son to die and rise again so I could be free from sin. (My faith covers the WHOLE Bible! ) Again, I would cease to be a Christian if evolution were proven beyond all doubt. God means what he says and says what he means! (I know, it's a cliche... Forgive me...)

A mini-testimony...

To you TE's out there, you don't know how freeing it is to take Genesis literally. Because you have to admit that doubt of the creation story throws doubt on the rest of the Bible. At least, that's what held me back. (Logical fallacy or not, this was true for me and most likely true for some of you.) You see, the Bible doesn't have a footnote on Genesis 1-3 saying "Refer to the works of Darwin, Gould, Behe, etc., etc." The Bible doesn't need any help.

It's freeing because man's knowledge changes daily, if not hourly. However, God's knowledge never changes. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever. God doesn't have "theories", he has wisdom. I suggest that instead of listening to someone's "theories", you should listen to the unchanging wisdom of God as found in His word.

Plugging my thread: creation vs. prophecy

dunkel said:

Perhaps you should read up on a movement before you become part of it. The 6000 years comes from taking the evidence in the Bible, the geneologies, places where it says "and 40 years passed", etc, and putting them on a timeline. It goes back about 6000 years, IIRC.

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Some Christians actually believe that there is evidence of telescoping of geneologies in the Bible and such, so the 6,000-year estimate is somewhat skewed.

I am reposting my previous comments here because they seem to have gotten lost amidst all of the goofy pictures and silly jokes. I would really appreciate an answer to my questions about how the human sinful nature relates to theistic evolution.

dunkel said:

The Earth DOES look old. It looks like it's been around for billions of years. The problem with creationism is to explain why everything looks so dang old if it was only created 6000 years ago, as creationists claim. The argument goes that if Earth looks old, it is NOT because it actually IS old, but because God must have made it that way for whatever reason. You may not have said it, but it is a common argument used by creationists. Out of curiosity, why do you believe that the Earth looks older than 6000 years (give or take)?

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I am a creationist. I believe in a literal Adam and Eve. And I am not hung up on the idea of the earth being 6,000 years old. I actually believe that the earth is probably older than that. Please don't generalize and assume that all creationists believe the same way on all of these issues.

One question I have that no one has answered yet is how would you explain the entrance of sin into the human experience? According to an evolutionary model, death would have had to occur before sin because other organisms existed, died, and became extinct before humans evolved. Would you say that the account of the Fall of Man is not literal either? If not, was there ever a time when people were not sinful, and how did they become sinful? And, if metaphorical, what would the biblical account be a metaphor for? How would it relate to the process of human evolution?